Finding Jordan Forms of 8x8 Matrices

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The discussion revolves around finding all Jordan forms of 8x8 matrices given the minimal polynomial \(x^2(x-1)^3\). The roots identified are 0 and 1, with respective degrees affecting the structure of the Jordan blocks.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the combinations of Jordan blocks corresponding to the eigenvalues 0 and 1, questioning how the geometric multiplicities influence the arrangement of these blocks. There is a specific inquiry about the possibility of having a Jordan block of dimension 2 with 1's on the main diagonal while still satisfying the overall dimension of 8.

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The discussion is active with participants examining the implications of the minimal polynomial on the Jordan forms. Some guidance has been offered regarding the arrangement of blocks, and there is acknowledgment of the potential for different configurations based on the multiplicities of the eigenvalues.

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There is a focus on the constraints imposed by the minimal polynomial and the requirement for the overall dimension of the Jordan blocks to equal 8. Participants are also considering the implications of geometric versus algebraic multiplicities in their reasoning.

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Homework Statement


find all Jordan forms of 8x8 matrices given the minimal polynomial x^2*(x-1)^3


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The roots are clearly 0,1 and 0 has degree 2 while 1 has degree 3. The forms would be made up of the blocks [0,0;1,0] corresponding to 0 and [1,0,0;1,1,0;0,1,1] corresponding to 1.

So all possible 8x8 forms would be different combinations of the blocks such that they are always both included at least once and dimension 1 blocks being either of the roots such that the overall dimension of the blocks is 8.

-I am not convinced this is the solution because of the geometric multiplicities of 1 and 0 would affect the entries next to the main diagonals...I'm just not sure how if at all.
 
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Every such 8 by 8 matrix will have 2 "0"s and 3 "1"s on the diagonal. The "Jordan" form may or may not have "1" above each number on the diagonal. For the "0"s, then, you can have either
[tex]\begin{array}{cc}0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0\end{array}[/tex]
or
[tex]\begin{array}{cc}0 & 1 \\ 0 & 0\end{array}[/tex]

For the "1"s there are 4 possiblilties.
 
sorry I should have made this a bit more clear in the question, but can there exist a Jordan block (given the minimal polynomial above) with 1's on the main diagonal of dimension 2 such that it satisfies the 8x8 dimension req? i.e. assuming we have the dim=3 blocks obtained from 1 and the dim=2 blocks obtained from 0, can we have a dim=2 block with 1's on the main diagonal, and an appropriate number of dim=1 blocks being either 0,1 to satisfy the 8x8 dim?
 
Yes, it is possible, that "1" be an eigenvalue of algebraic multiplicity 3 and geometric multiplicity 2 (or any positive integer less than or equal to 3). One possiblity would be
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}1 & 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & 1 \\0 & 0 & 1\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
 

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