Finding Lorentz Factor of a Point Particle in Curved Spacetime

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The discussion revolves around finding the Lorentz factor of a point particle in curved spacetime, specifically in relation to expressing the energy of such a particle in terms of metric elements. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to general relativity.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a method to express the Lorentz factor of a point particle in curved spacetime using metric elements.
  • Another participant suggests that the question may involve considering motion in multiple dimensions and proposes a vector-like approach to the problem.
  • A different participant requests a clear prescription for evaluating the energy of a point particle in curved spacetime, emphasizing the need for clarity in the question posed.
  • One participant notes that there is no global quantity representing energy in curved spacetime, highlighting the frame dependence of kinetic energy and suggesting that only the rest mass is a meaningful scalar quantity along a worldline.
  • Another participant references a paper that presents an expression for energy in terms of metric elements, expressing skepticism about its validity and inviting thoughts on the matter.
  • A later reply discusses the plausibility of the paper's approach, particularly regarding the relationship between frequency changes and energy in quantum mechanics, while also raising concerns about the inclusion of a momentum term and potential Doppler shifts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the original question, with some uncertainty about the clarity of the inquiry. There is no consensus on the validity of the paper referenced or the approach to defining energy in curved spacetime.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of defining energy in curved spacetime and the dependence on local frames, as well as the potential issues with Doppler shifts when considering relativistic effects.

vaibhavtewari
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Hello,
Is there a way to find the lorentz factor of a point particle in a curved spacetime in terms of metric elements(diagonal)

More specifically I was trying to write energy of a point particle in a curved space.

thanks
 
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I didn't quite understand you, but I'll still answer :D

As I understand, you want to find the Lorentz factor of a point particle which moves not only on the x-apsis? If is that the question, you need to divide the path like when you do it with vectors, one on the x and other on the y. While I'm writhing this I figure that your question is not this, but I'll still post it... Just in case :D
 
can you provide a prescription to finally get the answer..

All I am trying to evaluate is to write energy of a point particle in a curved space-time in terms of metric element and rest mass
 
Your question is not stated clearly but ...

There is no global quantity that represents energy in curved spacetime. Kinetic energy is obviously frame dependent even in SR. However, every particle must be following some worldline, with a local frame defined at every point along it. The rest mass of the particle is transported unchanged along any worldline ( it is a scalar ) which would lead one to conclude the only meaningful energy is mc2.

If you have something else in mind try rephrasing the question.
 
vaibhavtewari said:
I actually was reading this paper

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0409/0409064v3.pdf

and on eq(37) author comfortably writes Energy in terms of metric element. I don't though found it very convincing. I would appreciate your thoughts on this

It looks plausible because the factor [itex]\sqrt{g_{tt}}[/itex] ( changing notation slightly) is generally taken to be the factor by which frequency changes between static observers at infinity and static observers in the field. So in QM where energy depends on [itex]d\psi/dt[/itex] it reflects the change in frequency, and so the energy of a wave function. The only thing that bothers me slightly is, he's written the relativistic Lorentz invariant energy on the right including the p-term. If p is nonzero there is also a doppler shift to consider. But at low energies it would be a close approximation.

I've saved a copy of the paper, it looks well worth a read.
 
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