Finding Mass of Non-Uniform Density

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The discussion revolves around a practice problem involving a solid of non-uniform density defined by the equation ρ=x²+y+z, contained within a sphere described by x²+y²+z²=1. Participants are tasked with finding the mass and moment of inertia of the solid using spherical coordinates.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss whether to treat the density as a constant during integration or to keep it within the integral. There is confusion regarding the conversion of Cartesian coordinates to spherical coordinates and the limits of integration.

Discussion Status

The conversation reflects a mix of attempts to understand the integration process and the implications of non-uniform density. Some participants have provided guidance on maintaining the density within the integral, while others express uncertainty about the integration limits and the complexity of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of examples in their textbooks that address non-uniform densities, leading to confusion. There is also mention of time constraints and the difficulty of the integrals involved, which may affect their approach to similar problems in an exam setting.

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This is just a practice problem, not actual homework. I'm studying for my final but am having a bit of difficulty in understanding this concept.

Homework Statement


Consider a solid of non-uniform density ρ=x2+y+z, consisting of all points inside the sphere x2+y2+z2=1
a) Find the mass of the solid (use spherical coordinates.)
b) Find the moment of inertia of the solid with respect to the z-axis (use spherical coordinates.)

Homework Equations


[tex] M=\int \rho dV[/tex]
[tex] dV= r^{2}sin\theta dr d\theta d\phi[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I am unsure if since the density equation is given, should I bring it out infront of the integral as if it's a constant and just integrate the spherical part of dV. Or do I also integrate the density?
My textbook has no examples of this, only uniform densities where rho is considered a constant and brought out infront of the integral
 
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Hi Mr LoganC! :smile:

(have an integral: ∫ and a theta: θ and a phi: φ :wink:)
Mr LoganC said:
I am unsure if since the density equation is given, should I bring it out infront of the integral as if it's a constant and just integrate the spherical part of dV. Or do I also integrate the density?
My textbook has no examples of this, only uniform densities where rho is considered a constant and brought out infront of the integral

You have to keep it inside the ∫ …

you can only take actual constants outside (including functions of variables other than the one belonging to that ∫) :wink:
 
Okay, well then I'm confused again, because I would have this: (Using Spherical coordinates)
[tex] <br /> M=\int_{\phi=0}^{2\pi} \int_{\theta=0}^{2\pi} \int_{r=0}^{1} (x^{2}+y+z)r^{2}sin\theta dr d\theta d\phi<br /> [/tex]

But if I'm only integrating with respect to radius, theta and phi, then the x, y, and z would be the same, acting like a constant as if I were to bring it out front of the integral. Again, my textbook is not helping at all as there is no example with the density inside the integral
 
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ah, you need to convert x2 + y + z into r θ and φ, and then integrate :wink:

(btw, only one of the integrals is to 2π)
 
Rightttt! It's been a while since doing spherical!
So I need to convert those.
Also, does it matter which I change from 2pi to pi? Forgot about that too, having both at 2pi is just like sweeping it out twice. So should I only let phi go from 0-pi, or does it not matter which one I choose?
Thanks again, you've been very helpful!
 
So I worked through the problem and got an answer. Took me a good 30-40mins. There's no way he would give us one question that takes 40mins to do on the final. So I must have either done something wrong or did it a very difficult way. Not only that, the integrals were very difficult!
I ended up getting an answer of
[tex]\frac{4\pi}{15} - \frac{\pi}{4}[/tex]

Is there any easy way to check this answer to see if it's right? Unfortunately, the practice problems do no have solutions for them.
 
Hi Mr LoganC! :smile:

(just got up :zzz: …)
Mr LoganC said:
So I worked through the problem and got an answer. Took me a good 30-40mins. There's no way he would give us one question that takes 40mins to do on the final. So I must have either done something wrong or did it a very difficult way. Not only that, the integrals were very difficult!

hmm … as soon as I saw ρ = x2 + y + z, I thought "I wouldn't like to try to integrate that!" :redface:
I ended up getting an answer of
[tex]\frac{4\pi}{15} - \frac{\pi}{4}[/tex]

Is there any easy way to check this answer to see if it's right?

(have a pi: π :wink:)

Nope. :biggrin:
 
So if this question were to show up on the exam, (This is a practice question from last years exam), How should I go about doing it? And I still have to use spherical coordinates!
 
Do it the same way!

Apart from the tediousness, what's wrong with that? :smile:
 
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Nothing I guess. I'm a terribly slow test writer, so perhaps I'll leave that one 'till the end, but at least I can show my work and show that I do know how to go about the problem!

Thanks again Tiny-Tim! A thumbs up to you, sir!:biggrin:
-LoganC
 

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