Finding max and min of a function of several variables

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The discussion revolves around finding the maximum, minimum, and saddle points of the function f(x,y) = e^x*cos(y). Participants are examining the critical points derived from the first derivatives of the function.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are analyzing the conditions under which the critical points occur, particularly focusing on the implications of the equations cos(y) = 0 and sin(y) = 0. There is a consideration of whether the function can have critical points at all.

Discussion Status

The discussion is actively exploring the possibility of critical points, with some participants suggesting that the function may not have any. There is a recognition of the need to justify this conclusion based on the derived conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that e^x will never be zero, leading to the exploration of the conditions for cos(y) and sin(y) being zero simultaneously. There is a mention of a reference indicating that no critical points exist, prompting further inquiry into the justification of this claim.

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Finding max and min of a function

Homework Statement



Find min , max , and saddle points of the function :

f(x,y) = e^x*cos(y)

f_x = e^x*cos(y)
f_xx = e^x*cos(y)
f_xy = -e^x * sin(y)

f_y = -e^x * sin(y)
f_y = -e^x * cos(y)

First finding the critical points :

f_x = e^x*cos(y)
f_y = -e^x * sin(y)

I know that e^x will never be 0 , so either cos(y) or sin(y) has to be 0;

cos(y) = 0 , when y = (2n+1)*pi/2
sin(y) = 0 , when y = n*pi

where n is a natural number.

how would I proceed next ?
 
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At this point I would start considering the possibility that f(x,y) doesn't have any critical points.
 
Yea you are right, in the back of the book it says NONE, but how do I justify that?
 
You want cos(y)=0 AND sin(y)=0 to have a critical point. Look at the conditions you've figured out for that possibility. Can they ever BOTH be true?
 
Dick said:
You want cos(y)=0 AND sin(y)=0 to have a critical point. Look at the conditions you've figured out for that possibility. Can they ever BOTH be true?

cos(y) = 0 , when y = (2n+1)*pi/2
sin(y) = 0 , when y = n*pi


(2n+1)*pi/2 = n*pi

pi*n + pi/2 = n*pi
pi*n - pi*n = -pi/2

0 = -pi/2

so it seems like there is no solution or no critical point.

Thanks a lot Dick for your help. I really mean it.
 
Very welcome. But you've got a technical flaw. You shouldn't assume both n's are the same. You want to look for solutions of (2m+1)*pi/2 = n*pi where n and m might be different integers. That's (m-n)pi+pi/2=0. Still no solution, of course. Just a heads up.
 
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