Finding moment of inertia of irregular object with calculus?

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The discussion centers on calculating the moment of inertia for an irregular object, specifically a propeller, using calculus. Participants explore methods for deriving the moment of inertia through mathematical functions and integration techniques, while considering the challenges posed by the irregular shape of the object.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on using calculus to find the moment of inertia of a propeller, mentioning the use of a 3D modeling program to obtain measurements and deduce mass from density and volume.
  • Another participant clarifies the notation used in Wolfram's function, explaining that ##\rho(\mathbf{r})## represents density at a point identified by the vector ##\vec{r}##, and that it can be constant if the density is uniform.
  • A participant provides an example of a density function for a ball, illustrating how to set up the integral for calculating moment of inertia, while noting the complexity of finding suitable functions for irregular shapes.
  • There is a request for clarification on the vector function and its application in calculating moment of inertia for irregular objects, indicating a need for more examples and practical guidance.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the application of density functions and integration techniques. There is no consensus on a single method for calculating the moment of inertia of irregular objects, and multiple approaches are discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the potential difficulty in finding simple functions for complex shapes and the possibility of needing numerical integration methods, particularly when using 3D modeling software.

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For a mathematics project I'm trying to figure out the moment of inertia for a propeller. I'm told that it is possible to find the moment of inertia of irregular objects through calculus, so I'm determined to figure it out using calculus.

I plan on using a 3D modelling program (since I don't have actual propellers at the moment) to construct a propeller, or just using a 3D model of a propeller, so I can get exact measurements of it. I can also use density (found on the Internet) and volume to deduce the mass. I figure I can separate a propeller into an idealized, hollow, cylindrical center (easy to calculate) and the blades.

So, where do I start? I've seen some mathematics on Wolfram, but I'm not following it. Wolfram shows a function ρ(r) as the density of the object, but it doesn't show where ρ(r) comes from; how would I write the density of an object as a function of its radius? Others show it more simply as I = \int r^2dm. What should I use, and how should I go about collecting the input data for whatever method I use? Also, I understand where the second function I mention comes from, but if I were to use something like the Wolfram function, could anyone tell me where it comes from, or how it is deduced?

Thanks for any help!

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Wolfram is is using the convention that vectors are written in boldface (and the magnitude of the vector is written in ordinary italics). Thus, the function ##\rho(\mathbf{r})## is the density at the point identified by the vector ##\vec{r}## - it will be a constant if the density is uniform.

The ##\mathbb{d}m## form is just a different way of writing the same thing, because ##\mathbb{d}m=\rho(\mathbf{r})\mathbb{d}V## - either way, it's the mass in the infinitesimal volume located at ##\vec{r}##.
 
Nugatory said:
Wolfram is is using the convention that vectors are written in boldface (and the magnitude of the vector is written in ordinary italics). Thus, the function ##\rho(\mathbf{r})## is the density at the point identified by the vector ##\vec{r}## - it will be a constant if the density is uniform.

The ##\mathbb{d}m## form is just a different way of writing the same thing, because ##\mathbb{d}m=\rho(\mathbf{r})\mathbb{d}V## - either way, it's the mass in the infinitesimal volume located at ##\vec{r}##.
So, is the function that includes vectors including all vectors from the axis of rotation to the point that they signify? I still don't quite understand it. Could you give me an example of it used in a simple situation? How could I go about using that to calculate the moment of inertia for a propeller, or other such irregular object?

Thanks!
 
cmkluza said:
So, is the function that includes vectors including all vectors from the axis of rotation to the point that they signify? I still don't quite understand it. Could you give me an example of it used in a simple situation? How could I go about using that to calculate the moment of inertia for a propeller, or other such irregular object?
A simple example: ##\rho(\mathbf{r})=\alpha\frac{R-r}{R}## for for all vectors ##\vec{r}## such that ##r<R## and zero everywhere else describes a ball of radius ##R## whose density decreases linearly from ##\alpha## at the center to zero at the surface. To calculate the moment of inertia of that ball you'd integrate ##r^2\mathbf{d}M=r^2\rho(\mathbf{r})\mathbf{d}V = r^2\alpha\frac{R-r}{R}\mathbf{d}V## across the entire volume of the ball.

The problem you'll have will be finding a simple and easily integrated function that describes a complicated shape you've put together with 3D modelling software. Often engineers working with real objects have to resort to numerical integration (hopefully with some support from the software).
 
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