Finding normal boiling point given pressure and enthelpy.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the heat of vaporization and the normal boiling point of ammonia using given temperature and pressure data. It involves applying the Clausius-Clapeyron equation and clarifying the definitions of boiling point and normal boiling point.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the heat of vaporization (deltaH) to be 25.179 kJ/mol using the first two data points and notes it is close to a book answer.
  • Another participant questions the pressure at the normal boiling point and suggests that the normal boiling point occurs when vapor pressure equals external pressure.
  • A participant proposes setting the ratio of pressures (p2/p1) to 1 to find the normal boiling point, leading to confusion about the application of the equation.
  • There is a clarification about the definitions of "boiling point" and "normal boiling point," with one participant realizing that the normal boiling point is defined at standard temperature and pressure (STP).
  • A calculation is presented using the equation with the correct pressure value for the normal boiling point, resulting in an approximate temperature of 239 K.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express confusion regarding the application of the equation and the definitions of boiling points, indicating a lack of consensus on how to proceed with the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the application of the Clausius-Clapeyron equation and the specific conditions under which the normal boiling point is defined, as well as the assumptions made in calculations.

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Homework Statement


Given the following data, determine the heat of vaporization and normal boiling point of ammonia
Temp (K):
200
210
220
230
235

Pressure (respectively)(torr):
65.3
134.3
255.7
456.0
597.0



Homework Equations


ln(p2/p1)=-deltaH/R(1/t2-1/t1)


The Attempt at a Solution



I have calculated using the first two sets of data that deltaH should be 25.179kJ/mol. The books answer within 1kJ/mol, so I'm assuming that they just used different data to come up with it. Anyways, I'm having a problem on the second part of the question where it asks to come up with a normal boiling point. The normal boiling point is when the vapor pressure equals the external pressure, right? But I have no variable in this equation that will give me the normal boiling point. Do I use this equation for both portions to the question? I'm confused. I should be able to solve the problem, just need a little boost please.
 
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You have a function that correlates vapor pressure with temperature, yes?

What is the pressure at the normal boiling point?
 
So if the normal boiling point is where the vapor pressure equals the external pressure, I can just set p2/p1 to 1.

So I have ln1=-25.179/8.314(1/210-1/T) then T equals the normal boiling point? Eh, I'm confused.
 
webz said:
So if the normal boiling point is where the vapor pressure equals the external pressure, I can just set p2/p1 to 1.

No.

What is the difference between the definitions of "boiling point" and "normal boiling point"?
 
PhaseShifter said:
No.

What is the difference between the definitions of "boiling point" and "normal boiling point"?

Oh I get it now! The normal point is at STP. Ugh why didn't I see that before

ln(760/65.3)=-25719/8.314(1/x-1/200)=~239K

Thank you!
 

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