Finding Points in the Third Quadrant Using the Distance Formula

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The problem involves finding a point in the third quadrant with coordinates of the form (2a, a) that is a distance of 5 from the point P(1, 3). The context includes the use of the distance formula to establish a relationship between the points.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to begin the problem and considers the relationship to circles. Another participant explains the distance formula and its relation to circles, leading to a quadratic equation that needs to be solved for a.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with one providing guidance on using the distance formula and relating it to the concept of a circle. The original poster has attempted to solve the quadratic equation and has identified a potential solution that meets the quadrant condition.

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The original poster notes that the examples in their textbook do not cover this specific type of problem, indicating a potential gap in their understanding of the material. There is also an emphasis on the requirement that the point must be in the third quadrant, which restricts the values of a.

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Homework Statement


Find the point with coordinates of the form (2a, a) that is in the third quadrant and is a distance 5 from P(1, 3)


Homework Equations


[tex] \begin{distance}<br /> d(P_1, P_2) = \sqrt{(x_2 - x_1)^2 + (y_2 - y_1)^2}<br /> \end{distance}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


To be quite honest I have no idea where to begin. The examples in my book do not cover this specific type of problem. I think I could treat P(1, 3) as the center of a circle with a radius of 5, but at this point in the book we have not covered circles yet.
 
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It isn't necessary to know about circles, but I'll just teach you a little something quickly about them before moving on.

If you have some point P(a,b) and you want to find a point Q(x,y) which is a distance r from P then by the distance formula we have

[tex]r=\sqrt{(x-a)^2+(y-b)^2}[/tex]

But we don't know in which direction Q is from P so this formula is pretty much giving us a circle with radius r around the point P. This is pretty much the circle formula!

For a circle with radius r and centre (a,b) we have

[tex](x-a)^2+(y-b)^2=r^2[/tex]

ok so back to the point. We want to find a point Q(2a,a) a distance of 5 from the point P(1,3). Shoving this into the distance (or circle) formula, we get

[tex]25=(2a-1)^2+(a-3)^2[/tex]

Now solve for a. This will be a quadratic in a so you need to turn it into the appropriate form and use the quadratic formula - or factorizing, if that works.
 
I wasn't quite sure if I could solve it that way, but it makes a lot of sense. After solving for a using the quadratic formula I get a = 1 - 2 and a = 1 + 2. The problem stated that the point is in the third quadrant which means a < 0. So I am left with a = 1 - 2 = -1.

The answer ends up being (2(-1), -1) or (-2, -1)

Thanks!
 
You're welcome :smile:
 

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