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The discussion revolves around calculating the area beneath the curve defined by the equation y = 2x^2 + 7x + 24, specifically between the x-values of 2 and 5. Participants are exploring the process of definite integration and the evaluation of the integral.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the integral and the evaluation process, questioning the interpretation of limits and the correct application of the fundamental theorem of calculus. There are attempts to clarify the difference between definite and indefinite integrals, as well as the handling of constants in integration.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on evaluating the integral and correcting each other's arithmetic mistakes. There is a focus on ensuring the correct application of calculus principles, though no consensus on the final area has been reached.

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Some participants express uncertainty about their understanding of calculus concepts, particularly in relation to the integration process and arithmetic involved in evaluating the definite integral.

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1. Hi, I have been asked to calculate the area beneath a curve. The curve is
y = 2x^2 + 7x + 24 and the values of x to find the area within are 5 and 2.



3. My attempt stands as follows: A = 5,2∫ (2x^2+7x+24)dx
[ 2x^3/2 + 7x^2/2 + 24x ]
From there I am unsure on what to do as i am unsure on calculus as a whole.



Thanks
 
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dc2209 said:
1. Hi, I have been asked to calculate the area beneath a curve. The curve is
y = 2x^2 + 7x + 24 and the values of x to find the area within are 5 and 2.



3. My attempt stands as follows: A = 5,2∫ (2x^2+7x+24)dx
[ 2x^3/2 + 7x^2/2 + 24x ]
From there I am unsure on what to do as i am unsure on calculus as a whole.



Thanks
I presume that the "5,2" in front of the integral indicates that you are integrating "from x= 2 to x= 5". Do you know what that means? Yes, 2x^3/3+ 7x^2/2+ 24x+ C (C can be any constant) is the general anti-derivative. Now, evaluate that between x= 2 and x= 5. That is find the value of 2x^3/3+ 7x^2/2+ 24x+ C at x= 5, at x= 2 and subtract the first from the second.

If F'(x)= f then \int f(x)dx= F(x)+ C and \int_a^b f(x)dx= F(b)- F(a)
 
Look at the way you calculated the integral.

Also when calculating a definite integral what makes it different than an indefinite one? Why can you disreguard the arbitary constant?

Yes, 2x^3/3+ 7x^2/2+ 24x+ C (C can be any constant) is the general anti-derivative.

He actually got the indefinite wrong, but yes this is what you should have gotten.
 
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Ok I got (250/2 + 175/2 +24 ) - (16/2 + 28/2 + 24) = 236.5 - 46 = 190.5 units of area?


Does that sound correct?

Thanks,

Ps, would y = -x^2 + 1 use the same method?
 
dc2209 said:
Ok I got (250/2 + 175/2 +24 ) - (16/2 + 28/2 + 24) = 236.5 - 46 = 190.5 units of area?


Does that sound correct?

Thanks,

Ps, would y = -x^2 + 1 use the same method?

No, look at your orginal calculation, then look at HallsofIvy post. Do you see a difference?
 
Student100 said:
No, look at your orginal calculation, then look at HallsofIvy post. Do you see a difference?


He has misplaced a 3 for a 2, but I didn't use that in my calculation so 190.5 should be correct?
 
dc2209 said:
He has misplaced a 3 for a 2, but I didn't use that in my calculation so 190.5 should be correct?

His was right, yours was wrong. You raised it to the 3rd power.
 
Student100 said:
His was right, yours was wrong. You raised it to the 3rd power.

Ah I see what you mean.
 
Student100 said:
His was right, yours was wrong. You raised it to the 3rd power.

So I got 151.497 units of area this time using the correct indefinite
 
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dc2209 said:
So I got 151.497 units of area this time using the correct indefinite

Can you post your work? That's incorrect.

Edit: Looking at your previous post you probably forgot the x after the 24 again.
 
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Student100 said:
Can you post your work? That's incorrect.

Edit: Looking at your previous post you probably forgot the x after the 24 again.


2x^3/3 + 7x^2/2 + 24x

= [ 250/3 + 175 /2 +24] - [ 16/3 + 28/2 + 24 ]

= 194.83 - 43.33 = 151.497?
 
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dc2209 said:
2x^3/3 + 7x^2/2 + 24x

= [ 250/3 + 175 /2 +24] - [ 16/3 + 28/2 + 24 ]

= 194.83 - 43.33 = 151.497?

24x

Look at your steps very close.
 
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Student100 said:
24x

Look at your steps very close.

I'm unsure on calculus, I understand as much that you multiply by the limits of x and then subtract it but with the x I do not know
 
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dc2209 said:
I'm unsure on calculus, I understand as much that you multiply by the limits of x and then subtract it but with the x I do not know

We're past the calculus, you just got to look at your arithmetic, you are adding 24 instead of 24x or 24(5) and 24(2).
 
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Student100 said:
We're past the calculus, you just got to look at your arithmetic, you are adding 24 instead of 24x or 24(5) and 24(2).


Sorry I see now.

As a final answer I got 223.499 now, I am really hoping that is correct
 
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dc2209 said:
Sorry I see now.

As a final answer I got 223.499 now, I am really hoping that is correct

That's right, you might want to practice keeping the answers in fraction forum, however. Just keep practicing.
 

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