Finding the Area Between Two Graphs

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The discussion revolves around finding the area between two graphs defined by the functions f(x) = x² - 1 and f(x) = 2x + 2. Participants are exploring the integration process required to determine this area, particularly focusing on the points of intersection and the setup of the integral.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the points of intersection and the integration process, questioning how to correctly set up the integral. There are attempts to clarify the integration steps and the significance of the order of functions in the integrand.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the integration setup and questioning the assumptions made about the functions. There is recognition of potential errors in the integrand, and some participants suggest revisiting the integration process to ensure correctness.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that an area should be nonnegative, which raises questions about the setup of the integrand. There is also mention of the functions' relative positions over the interval of integration.

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Homework Statement



f(x)=x2-1 and f(x)=2x+2

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The Attempt at a Solution



Points of intersection are -1 and 3. So you integrate using those as upper and lower and plug it in and subtract, right? But I get 0 for each. So nothing to subtract and 0 is not the correct answer.
 
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Hi XodoX! :smile:
XodoX said:
So you integrate using those as upper and lower and plug it in and subtract, right?

yes :smile:
But I get 0 for each.

how? :confused:

show us your integrations​
 
Well, you set both to 0 and basically combine them, then you get x^2 - 2x - 3. If you plug in -1 and 3 for it, then you get 0.
 
XodoX said:
Well, you set both to 0 and basically combine them, then you get x^2 - 2x - 3. If you plug in -1 and 3 for it, then you get 0.
So at what point did you do any integration?
 
but you haven't integrated! :rolleyes:

all you've done is find the points where their difference is 0​

go forth and integrate! :smile:
 
Never-mind. Wrong number.

I get -10.6 after integrating the combined equation. Plug in 3 and subtract it from what I get for -1.

x3/3 - x2-3x

No, it's +10.6. Sorry.
 
An area should be nonnegative. If you got a negative number, your integrand is set up incorrectly.

Note that the line is above the parabola throughout the interval.
 
Yes, I did. I did the 3 first and then the -1. I thought that's how you did that.
 
I'm talking about the integrand, not the limits of integration. I believe you set up the integral as:
$$ \int_{-1}^3 (x^2 - 1) - (2x + 2)~dx$$

That will give you a negative number.
 
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Mark44 said:
I'm talking about the integrand, not the limits of integration. I believe you set up the integral as:
$$ \int_{-1}^3 (x^2 - 1) - (2x + 2)~dx$$

That will give you a negative number.
Because you have them "wrong way around". [itex]2x+2> x^2- 1[/itex] for all x between -1 and 3.
 

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