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The discussion focuses on finding a basis for the subspace W defined by the equations x+y=0 and x+t=0 in linear algebra. The user initially proposed a basis of vectors (1,1,0,0) and (0,1,0,1) but was corrected by another participant who provided the correct basis as (-1,1,0,1) and (0,1,0,1). The correct basis was derived from the null space of the matrix A = [[1, 1, 0, 0], [1, 0, 0, 1]] and demonstrated that the user's vectors did not satisfy the original equations defining W.

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in linear algebra, if i am told to find a basis for the following

W={(x,y,z,t)|x+y=0, x+t=0}

what i did was

1 1
1 0
0 0
0 1
after performing elementary actions on rows, i came to

1 0
0 1
0 0
0 0
from here i can see that they are linearly independent and they cleary span their own space so they are my basis.

basis= (1,1,0,0) (0,1,0,1)

the correct solution in my book was quite different, they put the vectors lying down like so

1 1 0 0
0 1 0 1

and eventually got to

1 0 0 -1
0 1 0 1

what is the reason that my way is wrong,
 
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I think you might have started off with the wrong vectors. Based on your definition of W, I see that
x = -y
y = y
z = z
t = t

Since x = -y and x = -t, it's clear that y = t, so the four equations above simplify to:
x = -t
y = t
z = z
t = t
This set of equations can be written as
(x, y, z, t) = t(-1, 1, 0, 1) + z(0, 0, 1, 0)

So two vectors that span W are the two above, and they are clearly linearly independent, since no multiple of either could possibly produce the other. (It's very easy to check independence when you have only two vectors. With three or more you can't do it by inspection.)

Notice that these two vectors satisfy the equations that are part of your definition; your vectors don't.
 
Dell said:
in linear algebra, if i am told to find a basis for the following

W={(x,y,z,t)|x+y=0, x+t=0}

what i did was

1 1
1 0
0 0
0 1
after performing elementary actions on rows, i came to

1 0
0 1
0 0
0 0
from here i can see that they are linearly independent and they cleary span their own space so they are my basis.

basis= (1,1,0,0) (0,1,0,1)
Mark's work is absolutely correct. Let's just make sure you know what you're doing with those matrices.

The span of W is the null space of the matrix

[tex]A = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 1 & 0 & 0\\ 1 & 0 & 0 & 1\end{pmatrix}[/tex]

,i.e., is the solution set of Av=0 where v=(x,y,z,t).

By row reducing (just one operation) Av=0 we see that the null space of A is equal to the null space of

[tex]A' = \begin{pmatrix} 1&1&0&0\\0&-1&0&1\end{pmatrix}[/tex].

,i.e., the solution set of A'v = 0.

With v = (x,y,z,t), writing this out we have x+y=0 and -y+t=0. The solution set of this follows from Mark's work (thus illustrating that matrices in this particular example are quite unnecessary).

Dell said:
the correct solution in my book was quite different, they put the vectors lying down like so

1 1 0 0
0 1 0 1

and eventually got to

1 0 0 -1
0 1 0 1

what is the reason that my way is wrong,
Presuming these matrices are supposed to represent A (from our work above), check you're referring to the same question! Our set-up has x+t=0 whereas the row "0 1 0 1" suggests they have y+t=0 !
 

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