Finding the Block's Position After Work is Done on a Spring System

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a spring-block system where a force is applied to hold a block stationary while work is done on the system. The original poster seeks to determine the block's position after performing a specified amount of work, given the spring constant and initial conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the work-energy principle using the equations for work and spring force but encounters an issue with the resulting value being imaginary. Some participants question the application of the work equation, suggesting that the order of terms may be incorrect.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of the work done on the system and the definitions of work in relation to the spring's force. There is an ongoing clarification regarding the signs associated with work done by the user versus the spring, with some guidance provided on interpreting these concepts.

Contextual Notes

The original poster references a textbook that presents the work equation in a specific format, which has led to confusion regarding the correct application of the terms. This discrepancy is a point of contention in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



We must apply a force of magnitude 80N to hold the block stationary at x = -2.0cm. From that position, we then slowly move the block so that our force does +4.0J of work on the spring-block system; the block is then again stationary. What is the block's position? (Two answers.)


Homework Equations



F = -kx

W = (1/2)*k*xi^2 - (1/2)*k*xf^2


The Attempt at a Solution



80 = -k(-.02m)
k = 4000 N/m

With the spring constant, i plug it into the Work equation to find xf

4 = .5*4000*(-.02^2) - .5*4000*xf^2

3.2 = -2000xf^2
-.0016 = xf^2

And this is where I am stuck. The answer cannot be an imaginary number, but a real one. I know the equations are correct, so what am I doing wrong? Please explain.
 
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Supernejihh said:
W = (1/2)*k*xi^2 - (1/2)*k*xf^2
You want final minus initial, not the other way around.
 
Doc Al said:
You want final minus initial, not the other way around.

The problem is that, that is how the book presented us with the equation. It was initial minus final. I understand where you are coming from, but that's how it is.
 
Supernejihh said:
The problem is that, that is how the book presented us with the equation. It was initial minus final. I understand where you are coming from, but that's how it is.
Then what does W stand for in your book? The work done by the spring? The work done by you will be opposite to that.
 
Doc Al said:
Then what does W stand for in your book? The work done by the spring? The work done by you will be opposite to that.

Doc Al. So what you are telling me is that the Work of +4.0J is caused by me. And its positive because the direction and force are directed towards one way. But the force of a spring is always opposite the displacement. So the work of the spring is -4.0J because its moving one way, while the force is directed towards the opposite?
 
Supernejihh said:
Doc Al. So what you are telling me is that the Work of +4.0J is caused by me. And its positive because the direction and force are directed towards one way. But the force of a spring is always opposite the displacement. So the work of the spring is -4.0J because its moving one way, while the force is directed towards the opposite?
Right.
 
Doc Al said:
Right.

Thanks for your help Doc. I really appreciate it.
 

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