Finding the coefficient of friction

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the coefficient of kinetic friction for a bale of hay that slides on a road after falling from a truck. The scenario includes a mass of 100 kg, an initial velocity of 24.4 m/s, and a sliding distance of 100 m before coming to rest.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between forces, mass, and velocity, with one participant attempting to derive a force from the initial velocity. Questions arise regarding the validity of this approach and the definitions of force and momentum.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on identifying the correct approach to find acceleration and the forces involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the initial calculations and their implications, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through potential misunderstandings of physical concepts, particularly the distinction between force and momentum. There is also a mention of a reference answer from a textbook, which may influence the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A 100 kg bale of hay falls off a truck traveling along a level road at 24.4 m/s. It lands flat on the road and slides 100m before coming to rest. Assume the acceleration is constant, compute the coefficeient of kinetic friction between the road and the hay.


Homework Equations


F=u x N
Sum of the forces horizontally (x) = 2440 N -f = ma (acceleration is a constant)
Sum of the forces Vertically (y) = N-W=O


The Attempt at a Solution


f= (2440)/(100a)
W= -980 so N= -980
now i plugged into f= u x N
(2440/100a)= u x -980
u= -.02a

Now i know the answer because i can see it in the back of the book, and this doesn't feel right. advice?
 
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Singdasorrow said:
Now i know the answer because i can see it in the back of the book, and this doesn't feel right. advice?
Don't look in the back of the book? :smile:

Can you explain where your numbers come from? What's 2440N? It would appear to have the same digits as the initial velocity :confused: but I don't see a calculation behind it.
 
i made the initial velocity into a force. 24.4 m/s x 100kg =2440 N
 
When you get an answer that looks like the calibre of a bullet, you're probably right.
 
Singdasorrow said:
i made the initial velocity into a force. 24.4 m/s x 100kg =2440 N

Velocity is not force. Mass x Velocity is momentum, not force. They are quite different things.

Hint: Find the acceleration given the provided information. Then use Newton's second law to find the force that acted to produce that acceleration.
 
thank you so much! that made things so much easier for me <3
 

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