Finding the Column Space of Matrix A

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The discussion revolves around finding the column space of a matrix A that has been row-reduced. The original poster presents their understanding of the problem and attempts to express the column space in terms of linear combinations of the matrix's columns.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the significance of pivot columns in determining the column space and the relationship between the original and reduced forms of the matrix. There is uncertainty about how to express the column space correctly, especially regarding dependent columns.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing insights about the role of pivot columns and the implications of linear dependence among the columns. Some guidance has been offered regarding which columns to include in the span for the column space.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the implications of row reduction and the identification of pivot columns, with some participants questioning how to handle dependent columns in their expressions for the column space.

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Homework Statement



We have a matrix A which row-reduces to:

[tex]A = \left[\begin{array}{ccccc} 1&2&0&0\\ 0&0&1&0\\0&0&0&1 \end{array}\right][/tex]

I'm asked to find the column space of A.


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The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not sure what to write down for this question... Here's what I think:

col(A) = {x1(1,0,0)+x2(2,0,0)+x3((0,1,0)+x4(0,0,1), [tex]x \in R^4[/tex]}

Since the 2nd column is simply a multiple of the first maybe it makes it a subspace of R3, I'm not sure...
 
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Almost. You look at the pivot rows in the reduced form of the matrix, but take the span of the corresponding rows in the original matrix.
 
rochfor1 said:
Almost. You look at the pivot rows in the reduced form of the matrix, but take the span of the corresponding rows in the original matrix.

Hi!

Thanks, now if I write that using the corresponding rows in the original matrix, it'll look like:

col(A) = {x1(1,2,1)+x2(2,4,2)+x3((1,1,1)+x4(1,0,2), [tex]x \in R^4[/tex]}

But I know that the 2nd column is a multiple of the first column, how do I need to express it? I'm not sure what to do about this.
 
That's the beauty of it---when you row reduce the matrix, you see that the second column is in the span of the pivot columns, so it doesn't count towards the column space. Just forget about it. In other words,

col(A)=span{(1,2,1),(1,1,1),(1,0,2)}
 
roam said:

Homework Statement



We have a matrix A which row-reduces to:

[tex]A = \left[\begin{array}{ccccc} 1&2&0&0\\ 0&0&1&0\\0&0&0&1 \end{array}\right][/tex]

I'm asked to find the column space of A.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not sure what to write down for this question... Here's what I think:

col(A) = {x1(1,0,0)+x2(2,0,0)+x3((0,1,0)+x4(0,0,1), [tex]x \in R^4[/tex]}

Since the 2nd column is simply a multiple of the first maybe it makes it a subspace of R3, I'm not sure...
Yes, since the second column is a multiple of the first, you don't need it!
The column space is just the space spanned by {(1, 0, 0), (0, 1, 0), (0, 0, 1)} and is precisely R3, not a subspace of it.
 

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