Finding the final speed of a space probe using work and kinetic energy

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The discussion revolves around calculating the final speed of a space probe using the concepts of work and kinetic energy. Participants are examining the relationship between work done and changes in kinetic energy, particularly focusing on the calculations involved in determining the final speed.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate work and apply it to the kinetic energy equation but questions their result when it does not match the expected answer. Some participants question the accuracy of the exponents used in the calculations, while others suggest checking the units and the force values involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions made in the calculations. There is no explicit consensus, but several participants have pointed out potential errors in the original poster's calculations and the values used, suggesting that a reevaluation may be necessary.

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Participants note discrepancies in the values for work and kinetic energy, indicating that there may be typos or misunderstandings in the problem setup. The original poster's calculations are also scrutinized for accuracy, particularly in relation to the expected final speed based on the work done.

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Homework Statement
A deep space probe of mass 4.55 x10^4kg is travelling at an initial speed of 1.22 x10^4
m/s. The engines of the probe exert a force of magnitude 3.85 x10^5
N over 2.45 x10^8 m. Determine the probes final speed
Relevant Equations
W=Ek2-Ek1
W=fd
W=(1/2)mv2^2-(1/2)mv1^2
First I found work:

W=(3.85x10^5)(2.45x10^8)
W= 9.43x10^13

Then used that for difference of kinetic energy:

9.43x10^13 = (1/2) (4.55x10^4)v2^2 - (1/2)(4.55x10^4)(1.22x10^4)^2
9.43x10^13 = (22750)v2^2 - 3.386x10^12
9.43x10^13 + 3.386x10^12 = (22750)v2^2
9.77x10^13 = 22750v2^2
9.77x10^13/22750 = v^2
squareroot 4.3x10^6 = v
6.55x10^4 = v

But the answer is 1.38x10^4 m/s? I'm not sure where I went wrong. Any help is appreciated
 
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Are the exponents for the distance and force correct?
 
Frabjous said:
Is the exponent for the distance or force correct?
definitely an 8 on the worksheet
 
If the work is a factor of 100 smaller, you get their answer. Check the units also. Also check the force.
 
aqryus said:
squareroot 4.3x10^6 = v
6.55x10^4 = v
I don't know about the calculations that brought you to the two last equations but the very last equation does not follow from the next to last equation. The square root of 4.3 is a bit more than 2 and the square root of 10^6 is 10^3. So the answer that follows should have been a bit more more than 2000. You need to redo the calculations.
 
kuruman said:
I don't know about the calculations that brought you to the two last equations but the very last equation does not follow from the next to last equation. The square root of 4.3 is a bit more than 2 and the square root of 10^6 is 10^3. So the answer that follows should have been a bit more more than 2000. You need to redo the calculations.
The 106 is a typo. Should be 109.
 
Something is not adding up here.

The 9.4x1013 J of work is roughly 30 times greater than the initial kinetic energy of 0.34x1013 J. So, we'd expect the final speed to be a factor of roughly sqrt(30) times the initial speed, as the OP got.

However, the quoted "correct answer" is only about 13% greater than the initial speed (1.38/1.22=1.13). Even if the probe started from rest, doing that much work would give a much greater final speed.

Either there's a typo in the given quantities, or whoever is providing the "correct answer" made an error.
 
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Redbelly98 said:
Something is not adding up here.

The 9.4x1013 J of work is roughly 30 times greater than the initial kinetic energy of 0.34x1013 J. So, we'd expect the final speed to be a factor of roughly sqrt(30) times the initial speed, as the OP got.

However, the quoted "correct answer" is only about 13% greater than the initial speed (1.38/1.22=1.13). Even if the probe started from rest, doing that much work would give a much greater final speed.

Either there's a typo in the given quantities, or whoever is providing the "correct answer" made an error.
As noted by @Frabjous in post #4, taking either the thrust or the distance over which it is applied down two orders of magnitude gives the book answer.
 

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