Finding the force of a person given mass.

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The problem involves a 30-kg child on roller skates ascending a 10-degree incline at an initial speed of 15 km/h. The objective is to determine how far she travels up the incline before coming to a stop, with the assumption of ignoring frictional losses.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of force from mass, particularly focusing on the weight of the child and its components on an incline. Questions arise regarding the relevance of initial speed and the correct interpretation of force components in relation to the incline.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the calculation of weight and its components. Some guidance has been offered regarding the direction of forces and the importance of understanding force components on inclined planes. There is no explicit consensus yet, as participants continue to explore different interpretations.

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Participants express confusion regarding the setup of the problem, particularly in relation to the direction of forces and the absence of additional forces acting on the child besides her weight.

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Homework Statement



A 30-kg child on roller skates starts up a 10 degree incline at 15 km/h. Assuming she does not propel herself how far up the incline does she travel before stopping? Ignore frictional losses.


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F=ma W=mg

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I can do this problem if the force is given, but our book doesn't explain how to get force from mass, also would the 15 km/hr have anything to do with it? I've tried to work the problem out several times but I must be using the wrong value for force.
 
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mooney82 said:
I can do this problem if the force is given, but our book doesn't explain how to get force from mass,
The force acting is the weight, which you should be able to calculate. What's the component of the weight parallel to the incline?
also would the 15 km/hr have anything to do with it?
The faster her initial speed, the longer it takes her to come to rest.
 
So the weight is just m*g, which is 294.3 N?

The x component of mg would be 294.3cos10?
 
mooney82 said:
So the weight is just m*g, which is 294.3 N?
Right.
The x component of mg would be 294.3cos10?
No, that's the component perpendicular to the incline (the y-component).
 
Doc Al said:
Right.

No, that's the component perpendicular to the incline (the y-component).

But if i set the x-axis on the incline wouldn't the x component be the adjacent side?
 
mooney82 said:
But if i set the x-axis on the incline wouldn't the x component be the adjacent side?
You need to understand how force components are found on inclined planes. Read: http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/vectors/u3l3e.cfm"
 
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Doc Al said:
You need to understand how force components are found on inclined planes. Read: http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/vectors/u3l3e.cfm"

Ok, so does the force from the girl start parallel to the ground or the incline? I think that is where I might be getting it wrong. I've been setting it parallel to the ground.
 
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mooney82 said:
Ok, so does the force from the girl start parallel to the ground or the incline? I think that is where I might be getting it wrong. I've been setting it parallel to the ground.
The weight acts downward--it has no horizontal component. Find the component parallel to the incline--that's the direction she's moving in.
 
Doc Al said:
The weight acts downward--it has no horizontal component. Find the component parallel to the incline--that's the direction she's moving in.

Ahhh I get it, you see the only example my professor gave in class was with an outside force pushing at an object, here there isn't any other force besides her weight, or mg pointing straight down! Thanks, my professor sucks at explaining things, thank you very much!
 

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