Finding the Function F in the Euler-Lagrange Equation

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The discussion revolves around finding the function F in the context of the Euler-Lagrange equation, specifically focusing on a functional defined by an integral involving F, with given boundary conditions and specific forms for a(x) and f(x).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationships between the derivatives of F and the functions a(x) and f(x). There is a discussion about the implications of the partial derivatives and the correct formulation of F. Some participants question the notation and the use of 'a' in different contexts, while others suggest alternative forms for F.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and alternative perspectives on how to approach the problem. There is recognition of the need for clarity regarding the definitions and roles of the variables involved. Some participants express uncertainty about the next steps and the correctness of their previous attempts.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the use of 'a' as both a limit of integration and as a function of x. Additionally, participants are working under the constraints of specific boundary conditions and the requirement to find F without fully solving for u.

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Homework Statement


Find the function F in
J\left[y\right]={\displaystyle \int}_{a}^{b}F\left(x,y,y'\right)\ dx
such that the resulting Euler's equation is
f-\left(-\dfrac{d}{dx}\left(a\left(x\right)u'\right)\right)=0
for x\in\left(a,b\right) where a\left(x\right) and f\left(x\right) are given. Solve the equation in the special case a=0 , b=1 , a\left(x\right)\equiv 1, f\left(x\right)\equiv 1, u\left(a\right)=A, u\left(b\right)=B

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From the Euler-Lagrange equation,

F_{y}-\dfrac{d}{dx}F_{y'}=0

The Attempt at a Solution



we observe that F_{y}=f and F_{y'}=-a\left(x\right)u' or F_{y}=-f and F_{y'}=a\left(x\right)u' .

\dfrac{\partial F}{\partial y'}=a\left(x\right)u'\left(x\right)
\dfrac{\partial F}{\partial y}=-f\left(x\right)\implies F\left(x,y,y'\right)=-f\left(x\right)+c_{2}\qquad c_{2}\in\mathbb{R}

Suppose f\left(x\right)\equiv1 and a\left(x\right)\equiv1,

-\dfrac{d}{dx}u'=1\implies u'=-x
u\left(x\right)=-\dfrac{x^{2}}{2}
u\left(a=0\right)=-\dfrac{a^{2}}{2}=0=A
u\left(b=1\right)=-\dfrac{b^{2}}{2}=-\dfrac{1}{2}=B

Hence, we have A=0 and B=-\dfrac{1}{2}.

2 questions at this point... Sorry if this sounds silly, but what now? Also, did I get those 2 lines with the partial derivatives correct? How should I go around finding F after that?

Thanks in advance!
 
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are you using a as both and integration limit and a different function of x?

ephedyn said:
\dfrac{\partial F}{\partial y'}=a\left(x\right)u'\left(x\right)
\dfrac{\partial F}{\partial y}=-f\left(x\right)\implies F\left(x,y,y'\right)=-f\left(x\right)+c_{2}\qquad c_{2}\in\mathbb{R}

also that implies statement doesn't make sense to me, something better would be
\frac{\partial F}{\partial y}<br /> =-f(x)<br /> \implies \ F\left(x,y,y&#039;)= \ -f(x).y \ + \ g(x,y&#039;)
for some unknown function g

then you know
\dfrac{\partial F}{\partial y&#039;} <br /> = \dfrac{\partial }{\partial y&#039;} (-f(x).y \ + \ g(x,y&#039;)) <br /> = \frac{\partial g(x,y&#039;)}{\partial y&#039;}<br /> = a(x)u&#039;(x)
\implies <br /> g(x,y&#039;)<br /> = a(x)u&#039;(x)y&#039; \ + \ h(x) <br />
 
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My professor has a very way of writing it, I suppose a(x) and the integration limit x=a refer to different 'a's. Let me read through the rest of your post for a while and think...
 
now as for your problem
ephedyn said:
-\dfrac{d}{dx}u&#039;=1\implies u&#039;=-x
u\left(x\right)=-\dfrac{x^{2}}{2}
u\left(a=0\right)=-\dfrac{a^{2}}{2}=0=A
u\left(b=1\right)=-\dfrac{b^{2}}{2}=-\dfrac{1}{2}=B

Hence, we have A=0 and B=-\dfrac{1}{2}.

2 questions at this point... Sorry if this sounds silly, but what now? Also, did I get those 2 lines with the partial derivatives correct? How should I go around finding F after that?

Thanks in advance!

first you should get
-\dfrac{d}{dx}u&#039;=1\implies u&#039;=-x + c \ , c \in \mathhbb{R}
u\left(x\right)=-\dfrac{x^{2}}{2} + cx + d \ , c,d \in \mathhbb{R}

this will allow you to satisfy the given endpoints A & B (you are not meant to be solving for these you are meant to solve for u)
 
^Oops I did some very sloppy integration there, all right I think I have enough hints to solve this! Thanks a lot!
 

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