Finding the g-value in the Boltzmann distribution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the g-value in the Boltzmann distribution for calcium, particularly in relation to its electron configurations in different states, including the ground state and the first excited state. Participants explore the implications of orbital availability and energy levels in the context of excited states and the Boltzmann distribution at a specified temperature.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the number of available orbitals for calcium in the ground state and the first excited state, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of orbital filling.
  • Another participant clarifies that the term "available orbitals" refers to those for valence electrons, indicating that the 4s orbital can accommodate two electrons.
  • A participant proposes a revised electron configuration for the first excited state, suggesting it should be 1s2 4s1 4p1 based on selection rules, which would imply three available orbitals.
  • Another participant argues that the excited state being discussed may not be the first excited state, citing a specific wavelength and suggesting a configuration like 4p2 instead, which would have different implications for the g-value.
  • Concerns are raised about the energy levels of microstates in the proposed configurations, indicating that not all microstates have the same energy, which complicates the use of the g-value in the Boltzmann distribution.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the rules governing excited states and orbital filling, with one participant seeking clarification on whether there are established rules or common knowledge in this area.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct electron configuration for the first excited state or the implications for the g-value in the Boltzmann distribution. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the definitions and interpretations of orbital availability and energy levels.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of electron configurations, the application of selection rules, and the energy considerations of different microstates. The discussion does not resolve these issues.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying atomic physics, quantum mechanics, or chemistry, particularly in the context of electron configurations and statistical mechanics.

JoJoQuinoa
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Hello,

I was wondering if someone could show me how to determine the number of orbitals available for a state and the number of electrons in that state. For calcium in the ground state, the electron config is 1s2 2s2 2p6 3s2 3p6 4s2. For the first excited state I assumed 1s2... 4s1 3d1.
From the solution for g_g, why the number of available orbitals is one when 4s is filled? Shouldn't it be zero?

Thanks!
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If there were zero available orbitals, where would the electrons go? It doesn't mean "available for other electrons". It means "available for the valence electrons". (All filled subshells have #e = 2#o, so g = 1; you only need to consider the valence electrons.) There is one 4s orbital into which 2 electrons can go to give the configuration 4s2.
 
@mjc123, thank you for your explanation.

That is what I thought originally but when I applied it to the excited state, it didn't work. But I think my electron configuration for the first excited state is wrong. I think it should be ##1s^2...4s^1 4p^1## based on the selection rules. If that's true then #o is 3 in ##4p^1## and there are 2 valence electrons.
 
JoJoQuinoa said:
I think it should be ##1s^2...4s^1 4p^1## based on the selection rules.
Note that even without considering selection rules, ##4s^1 4p^1## is lower in energy than ##4s^1 3d^1##. (The Aufbau rules when filling orbitals do not necessarily apply to finding excited states).
 
I'm not sure what excited state is being referred to - certainly not the first excited state, as 226.51 nm is much higher energy. The expression for ge would suggest a configuration like 4p2, for which #o is 3 and #e is 2. (4s4p would have g = 12; 2 for the 4s electron x 6 for the 4p.) And the 15 microstates of 4p2 don't all have the same energy - they are split into 1S, 3P and 1D states (and 3P is further split into J = 0, 1 and 2 states). So using the g value in the Boltzmann distribution would be problematic.

Can you provide more context for this problem?
 
mjc123 said:
I'm not sure what excited state is being referred to - certainly not the first excited state, as 226.51 nm is much higher energy. The expression for ge would suggest a configuration like 4p2, for which #o is 3 and #e is 2. (4s4p would have g = 12; 2 for the 4s electron x 6 for the 4p.) And the 15 microstates of 4p2 don't all have the same energy - they are split into 1S, 3P and 1D states (and 3P is further split into J = 0, 1 and 2 states). So using the g value in the Boltzmann distribution would be problematic.

Can you provide more context for this problem?
Certainly

Problem: Use the Boltzmann distribution equation to calculate the percentage of calcium atoms that are in the first excited state in a hydrogen -air flame at 2,250K. The line associated with that transition has a wavelength of 226.51 nm.

Further Question: Is it not true that first excitation occurs when 'one' valence electron transition to a higher electronic state?

Thanks!
 
DrClaude said:
Note that even without considering selection rules, ##4s^1 4p^1## is lower in energy than ##4s^1 3d^1##. (The Aufbau rules when filling orbitals do not necessarily apply to finding excited states).

Hi DrClaude,

Is this a common knowledge or is there a set of rules for this? I'm not a chemistry student so I've been using what I can vaguely remember from general chemistry 10 years ago o_O
 

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