Finding the generator function for 4 variables

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The discussion focuses on proving the canonical nature of the transformation defined by $$Q_{1} = q_{1}, P_{1} = p_{1} − 2p_{2}$$ and $$Q_{2} = p_{2}, P_{2} = −2q_{1} − q_{2}$$, and finding the corresponding generating function. The participant successfully evaluates the expression $$\sum_i p_i dq_i - P_i dQ_i$$, concluding that it can be expressed as a total differential, leading to the generating function $$F(P_2, p_2) = -p_2P_2$$. The discussion highlights the importance of expressing all differentials in terms of the original variables to arrive at the generating function.

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Homework Statement
Generating function
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Prove directly that the transformation $$Q_{1} = q_{1}, P_{1} = p_{1} − 2p_{2}$$ $$Q_{2} = p_{2}, P_{2} = −2q_{1} − q_{2}$$ is canonical and find a generating functionSo the first part is easy and can be skipped here. I have some difficults regarding the second part, namely, the one that ask for the generator function.

My approach was to evaluate the object ##\sum_i p_i dq_i - P_i dQ_i##, i have read at MG Calkin that if this object can be written as a total differential ##dF##, this one is (can be) the generating function.

So, expandin the differential, i have got that ##\sum_i p_i dq_i - P_i dQ_i = d(p_2q_2 + 2p_2q_1) \implies F = F(P_2,p_2) = -p_2P_2##.

What do you think? is it ok?
 
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Herculi said:
Homework Statement:: Generating function
Relevant Equations:: .

Prove directly that the transformation $$Q_{1} = q_{1}, P_{1} = p_{1} − 2p_{2}$$ $$Q_{2} = p_{2}, P_{2} = −2q_{1} − q_{2}$$ is canonical and find a generating functionSo the first part is easy and can be skipped here. I have some difficults regarding the second part, namely, the one that ask for the generator function.

My approach was to evaluate the object ##\sum_i p_i dq_i - P_i dQ_i##, i have read at MG Calkin that if this object can be written as a total differential ##dF##, this one is (can be) the generating function.

So, expandin the differential, i have got that ##\sum_i p_i dq_i - P_i dQ_i = d(p_2q_2 + 2p_2q_1) \implies F = F(P_2,p_2) = -p_2P_2##.

What do you think? is it ok?
It looks like you have omitted a lot of work.
Starting from ##dF = \sum_i p_i dq_i - P_i dQ_i##, how did you arrive at ##dF = d(p_2q_2 + 2p_2q_1)## and then to ##F(P_2,p_2) = -p_2P_2##?
 
Mark44 said:
It looks like you have omitted a lot of work.
Starting from ##dF = \sum_i p_i dq_i - P_i dQ_i##, how did you arrive at ##dF = d(p_2q_2 + 2p_2q_1)## and then to ##F(P_2,p_2) = -p_2P_2##?
Yes. Actually, i have just expressed all ##dQ_i, dP_i## in ##dF = \sum_i p_i dq_i - P_i dQ_i## in terms of ##dq_i, dp_i##. Eventually some terms cut off and we can express the results as ##dF = d(p_2q_2 + 2p_2q_1)##.
Now, ##d(p_2q_2 + 2p_2q_1) = d(p_2(-P_2))## from the summary, so i just concluded that ##F(P_2,p_2) = -p_2P_2##
 
Herculi said:
Yes. Actually, i have just expressed all ##dQ_i, dP_i## in ##dF = \sum_i p_i dq_i - P_i dQ_i## in terms of ##dq_i, dp_i##. Eventually some terms cut off and we can express the results as ##dF = d(p_2q_2 + 2p_2q_1)##.
"Eventually" is what I'm asking you to elaborate on.
Herculi said:
Now, ##d(p_2q_2 + 2p_2q_1) = d(p_2(-P_2))## from the summary, so i just concluded that ##F(P_2,p_2) = -p_2P_2##
 

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