Finding the Height of a Block Released from a Frictionless Track

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The problem involves a block sliding down a frictionless track with a rough section, where it leaves the track horizontally and falls to the ground. The goal is to determine the height from which the block is released, given the acceleration due to gravity.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss methods to find the speed of the block as it leaves the track and how to relate it to the height. Questions arise about incorporating the coefficient of kinetic friction and the application of energy conservation principles.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding energy conservation, and there is acknowledgment of the need to consider friction in the calculations. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correct method yet.

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Participants mention the challenge of integrating the coefficient of kinetic friction into their calculations and express uncertainty about the relationships between speed, height, and energy in the context of the problem.

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A block starts at rest and slides down a frictionless track except for a small rough area on a horizontal section of the track (as shown in: http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5711/25li4.jpg ).
It leaves the track horizontally, flies through
the air, and subsequently strikes the ground.
The acceleration of gravity is 9.81 m/s^2.

At what height h above the ground is the block released? Answer in units of m.



I tried a bajillion different methods, and my latest brought me to figuring out the speed of the block is right before the rough area in order to find the unknown height. However, since I can't find that speed, I can't find that height either. Soemone help please :D
 
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Why can't you find the speed of the block as it leaves the track in terms of h?
 
Err, is this what you meant...:

2.4 = (gt^2)/2
t = sqrt (4.8 / g)
vx = x / t = 3.69/ (sqrt (4.8/g))

vx = v

v = sqrt(2g (h-2.4)) = 3.69 / (sqrt (4.8/g))
h = 3.81834375 m

It's wrong though ><
 
Oh and I'm pretty sure that I need to incorporate the coefficient of kinetic friction, but I can't figure out a way to do it with this problem using Fnet = Fa - Ffr
 
To find the speed of the block, use energy conservation:
Energy(initial) + Work done by friction (which is negative) = Energy(final)

Where Energy means mechanical energy: KE + PE.
 
OH! I can't believe I didn't think of that. Thank you, that worked.
 

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