Kinetic friction, mass on track when will it stop.

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The problem involves a block of mass m on a track with a rough horizontal section, where kinetic friction plays a role in determining how many times the block crosses this section before coming to a stop. The context includes concepts of kinetic friction and energy conservation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the height h and its relation to the coefficient of kinetic friction. There are attempts to derive expressions for the number of crossings based on energy considerations and the work-energy theorem.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring the relationship between the height and the frictional force, while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding the initial conditions and the interpretation of the problem statement. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the meaning of "completely" in the context of the block's motion.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the derivation of the height value and its implications for the problem, as well as the interpretation of the answer in the context of rounding down versus up.

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Homework Statement



A block of mass m is initially held in place on the left side of a track at a distance h above the bottom of the track. The track is completely frictionless, with the exception of a rough horizontal section of track of length h which has a coefficient of kinetic friction μ = 0.15. If the block is released from rest, how many times does the block completely cross the rough section of track before it stops?




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The Attempt at a Solution



So I have worked out the height to be 0.85 m, but am stuck on finding an expression for when the ball will stop I have what I think it is

x=number of times without stopping= v^2/2gh

does this see right, and I worked out v = 11.43 but when I plug it in I get 7.84 times... in the answer booklet it says seven but I am not sure if that's because you can't round up because it doesn't make sense so they round down to 7??
 
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Hey,


I hope this makes it clear enough :-)


sg001 said:
how many times does the block completely cross the rough section of track before it stops?
 
Wondering how you get the value of h=0.85 m since only a coefficient of kinetic friction μ = 0.15 is given. And not mentioning anything about a ball.
 
azizlwl said:
Wondering how you get the value of h=0.85 m since only a coefficient of kinetic friction μ = 0.15 is given. And not mentioning anything about a ball.

by the work energy theorem, I worked out how much energy was lost through the distance of friction patch... the height of the track is the same 'height' or distance as the friction patch.
 
emailanmol said:
Hey,


I hope this makes it clear enough :-)

Yeah thanks, I was assuming that just wanted to check... I did not really pick up on the COMPLETELY part of the question.
 

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