Finding The Induced Current in This Loop

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The discussion revolves around calculating the induced current in a rectangular loop with a resistance of 2.2×10−2Ω, as part of a physics problem on Electricity and Magnetism. The key focus is on applying Faraday's Law, which states that the induced EMF is equal to the rate of change of magnetic flux through the loop. Participants clarify that while the area of the loop remains constant, the magnetic field (B) changes as the loop moves away from the wire, necessitating integration to account for this change. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding how to differentiate the magnetic field with respect to time to find the induced current accurately. Ultimately, the resolution hinges on correctly applying calculus principles to derive the induced EMF from the changing magnetic flux.
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Homework Statement



Hey guys, I have a physics II test tomorrow on Electricity and Magnetism, and I cannot seem to figure out this question.
The rectangular loop in the figure has 2.2×10−2Ω resistance.
What is the induced current in the loop at this instant?
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Homework Equations



E = d(flux m)/dt

B = (mu_0)(I)/2(pi)(r)

flux m = integral (B * DA)



The Attempt at a Solution



However, the area is not changing, so I can pull that out of the integral.
Then I have to integrate:

(mu_not)(I)/2(pi)(r)

Everything is constant except 1/r, so I can pull everything out and be left with:

integral (1/r)dr = ln(r)


So now we have:

E = d/dt(A)*(mu_not*I)*(ln(r))/(2*pi)


How do I take the derivative of this with respect to time?
Did I do the other steps correctly?
 
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The whole area of the loop is being displaced with respect to time (it's moving away from the wire). So if you have a formula for the flux at a given distance then you can find how it changes with distance. And, since know how the distance changes with time, what rule from calculus springs to mind?
 
gneill said:
The whole area of the loop is being displaced with respect to time (it's moving away from the wire). So if you have a formula for the flux at a given distance then you can find how it changes with distance. And, since know how the distance changes with time, what rule from calculus springs to mind?

Wait, I thought that the area was constant, since the area of the rectangular loop is not changing.

However, the B field is changing because the rectangular loop is getting further away.
 
Shakenbake158 said:
Wait, I thought that the area was constant, since the area of the rectangular loop is not changing.

However, the B field is changing because the rectangular loop is getting further away.

That's right. So what's Farady say about the emf induced around a loop with changing flux?
 
rude man said:
That's right. So what's Farady say about the emf induced around a loop with changing flux?

Faraday's Law says that the induced EMF is equal to the changing flux. So do I take the derivtive of B?
 
Shakenbake158 said:
Faraday's Law says that the induced EMF is equal to the changing flux. So do I take the derivtive of B?

Sure! Flux - area x B field. If the B field is non-uniform you have to intgerate B over the area. And if B changes with time you have to integrate AND consider how that integral changes with time. But area is always the same constant.

In any case emf = - N d(flux)/dt. Your N is of course 1.

(Exception: under certain moving-media circumstances that will not get you the induced emf but let's leave that for later unless you're really interested).
 
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