Finding The Induced Current in This Loop

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The discussion revolves around finding the induced current in a rectangular loop with a specified resistance, as part of a physics problem related to Electricity and Magnetism. The original poster is attempting to apply Faraday's Law and concepts of magnetic flux to determine the induced current at a specific moment.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the changing magnetic field and the induced electromotive force (emf). There are questions about the implications of the loop's area being constant while its distance from the magnetic field source changes. The original poster seeks clarification on how to differentiate expressions involving magnetic flux over time.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the application of calculus to the problem. There is a focus on understanding how the changing distance affects the magnetic field and the resulting flux, with some guidance offered regarding the integration of the magnetic field over the area of the loop.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that while the area of the loop remains constant, the magnetic field is affected by the loop's movement away from the source, leading to a changing flux. There is also mention of specific conditions under which the standard application of Faraday's Law may not hold, indicating a nuanced understanding of the topic.

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Homework Statement



Hey guys, I have a physics II test tomorrow on Electricity and Magnetism, and I cannot seem to figure out this question.
The rectangular loop in the figure has 2.2×10−2Ω resistance.
What is the induced current in the loop at this instant?
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Homework Equations



E = d(flux m)/dt

B = (mu_0)(I)/2(pi)(r)

flux m = integral (B * DA)



The Attempt at a Solution



However, the area is not changing, so I can pull that out of the integral.
Then I have to integrate:

(mu_not)(I)/2(pi)(r)

Everything is constant except 1/r, so I can pull everything out and be left with:

integral (1/r)dr = ln(r)


So now we have:

E = d/dt(A)*(mu_not*I)*(ln(r))/(2*pi)


How do I take the derivative of this with respect to time?
Did I do the other steps correctly?
 
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The whole area of the loop is being displaced with respect to time (it's moving away from the wire). So if you have a formula for the flux at a given distance then you can find how it changes with distance. And, since know how the distance changes with time, what rule from calculus springs to mind?
 
gneill said:
The whole area of the loop is being displaced with respect to time (it's moving away from the wire). So if you have a formula for the flux at a given distance then you can find how it changes with distance. And, since know how the distance changes with time, what rule from calculus springs to mind?

Wait, I thought that the area was constant, since the area of the rectangular loop is not changing.

However, the B field is changing because the rectangular loop is getting further away.
 
Shakenbake158 said:
Wait, I thought that the area was constant, since the area of the rectangular loop is not changing.

However, the B field is changing because the rectangular loop is getting further away.

That's right. So what's Farady say about the emf induced around a loop with changing flux?
 
rude man said:
That's right. So what's Farady say about the emf induced around a loop with changing flux?

Faraday's Law says that the induced EMF is equal to the changing flux. So do I take the derivtive of B?
 
Shakenbake158 said:
Faraday's Law says that the induced EMF is equal to the changing flux. So do I take the derivtive of B?

Sure! Flux - area x B field. If the B field is non-uniform you have to intgerate B over the area. And if B changes with time you have to integrate AND consider how that integral changes with time. But area is always the same constant.

In any case emf = - N d(flux)/dt. Your N is of course 1.

(Exception: under certain moving-media circumstances that will not get you the induced emf but let's leave that for later unless you're really interested).
 

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