Finding the Initial Velocity for a Projectile Launched from a Height of 150ft

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The problem involves determining the initial velocity of water ejected from a fountain that reaches a height of 150 feet. The context is within the subject area of kinematics, specifically dealing with projectile motion under the influence of gravity.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the use of kinematic equations to relate initial velocity, final velocity, acceleration, and displacement. There is uncertainty about the correct application of these equations, particularly regarding the signs of acceleration and the units used.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning each other's assumptions and clarifying the setup. Some have provided guidance on the correct interpretation of the kinematic equation and the significance of the final velocity at the peak height of the projectile's motion.

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There is a mix of units being used (feet and meters), and participants are addressing the need to convert or consistently apply the correct units. The discussion also highlights the importance of understanding the physical scenario of the water reaching its maximum height before descending.

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Suppose the water fountain in fountain hills, Arizona, rises 150ft above the lake. Neglecting wind effects and minor losses, determine the velocity at which the water is ejected


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did you make an attempt at this problem?
 
SHISHKABOB said:
did you make an attempt at this problem?

yes, i tried using this formula, but i don't know if its right

V^2 = Vo^2 + 2AD
A = 9.8m/s^2
V^2 = 0^2 + 2(9.8)D
V^2 = 19.6D
 
V in your equation is final velocity which should be zero. Vo is initial velocity which is what you are seeking. The sign on A is negative 9.8. And don't mix feet and meters.
 
LawrenceC said:
I assume what you mean is that water is squirted directly upward so it reaches a peak 150 ft above the jet where it exited. If that is the situation, it is the same as shooting a projectile straight up.

yes that's what i meant. is the steps i used in the above right?
 
the problem is asking for the *initial velocity*, which is v0 in that formula
 
dronell90 said:
yes, i tried using this formula, but i don't know if its right

V^2 = Vo^2 + 2AD
A = 9.8m/s^2
V^2 = 0^2 + 2(9.8)D
V^2 = 19.6D

Nope, the initial velocity is not right. The water rises up to 150 ft. What does this tell you?

..and also, the given unit is ft. Then, g = 32 ft/s/s
 
dronell90 said:
yes, i tried using this formula, but i don't know if its right

V^2 = Vo^2 + 2AD
A = 9.8m/s^2
V^2 = 0^2 + 2(9.8)D
V^2 = 19.6D

NasuSama said:
Nope, the initial velocity is not right. The water rises up to 150 ft. What does this tell you?

..and also, the given unit is ft. Then, g = 32 ft/s/s

So it should be like this
V^2 = Vo^2 + 2AD
A = 32 ft/s
V^2 = Vo^2 + 2(32)150

then what is the value fo V^2
 
when you throw something up into the air, there's a point at which it reaches its max height and then starts to come back down, yes? What's the velocity at the *instant* it reaches its maximum height?
 
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dronell90 said:
So it should be like this
V^2 = Vo^2 + 2AD
A = 32 ft/s
V^2 = Vo^2 + 2(32)150

then what is the value fo V^2

Well, gravity drags the "projectile of the water" down. Consider throwing up the ball for example. If you toss the ball, then you exert the initial velocity v_0. At the highest point (or at the max height), the ball stops rising. That means v = 0 ft/s or v_f = 0 ft/s. After that time, the ball falls down due to gravity.

Following the example I have shown to you, find v_0.
 

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