What variables affect the height of a Heron's fountain?

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The discussion focuses on the mechanics of a Heron's fountain, specifically the variables that influence its height. Key points include the role of pressure in "bottle b," which is affected by hydrostatic forces and the heights of water surfaces in the connected bottles. Participants clarify that the height of the fountain is primarily determined by the difference in heights of the water surfaces relative to the tube, along with factors like viscosity and tube width. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding pressure relationships in the system, particularly how they relate to the fountain's operation. Ultimately, the main takeaway is that the height of the fountain is influenced by the pressure differences created by the water levels in the connected bottles.
  • #61
Physicist1011 said:
Oh the pressure at A is atmospheric pressure so the difference in pressure between B and A is PB=Patm
Atmospheric pressure is a background common to all points. We only need concern ourselves with gauge pressure, i.e. the excess above atmospheric.
But you still have not answered my question about A and B. What path is there between those two surfaces which either only passes through water or only passes through air?
 
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  • #62
Well the water in B passes through a tube of water and comes out into air. So neither of those things you mentioned above happen because the water passes through water (in B) and then air (coming out of the tube d).
 
  • #63
Physicist1011 said:
Well the water in B passes through a tube of water and comes out into air. So neither of those things you mentioned above happen because the water passes through water (in B) and then air (coming out of the tube d).
As I reminded you, we are considering a static arrangement. Your finger is stopping the fountain, so nothing is actually passing anywhere.
My questions are in relation to paths that exist within this static arrangement. Could you thread a path from the one surface to the other without changing medium?
 
  • #64
Yes, the water is flowing in the tube to the 2nd surface so the medium does not change since the path is the same medium on both surfaces.
 
  • #65
Physicist1011 said:
Yes, the water is flowing in the tube to the 2nd surface so the medium does not change since the path is the same medium on both surfaces.
Which tube? They are labelled.
 
  • #66
tube d
 
  • #67
Physicist1011 said:
tube d
As I wrote in post #59, tube d connects reservoir B to the base of the fountain. It does not connect with reservoir A. There is no water path from the surface of reservoir B to the surface of reservoir A.
 
  • #68
Oh, tube e - tube of air connecting to 2 air mediums.
 
  • #69
Physicist1011 said:
Oh, tube e - tube of air connecting to 2 air mediums.
That connects the airspaces at B and C, not A and B..
 
  • #70
ok. tube f is a tube full of water which connects a water medium to another water medium.
 
  • #71
Physicist1011 said:
ok. tube f is a tube full of water which connects a water medium to another water medium.
Yes, A and C, not A and B.
Have you lost track of where we are at?
You need to make a list of the pairs of surfaces which are connected by a water only path, and a list of pairs connected by an air only path.
In post #56 you claimed there was such a path connecting A and B. Are you ready to agree there is not one?
 
  • #72
oh sorry tube d definitely isn't one.
 
  • #73
Physicist1011 said:
oh sorry tube d definitely isn't one.
Ok.
In post #56, you correctly had A and C connected by water.
For B and C you wrote "same", but it is not clear whether you meant they are the same pressure or that the connection is the same type as AB. Please clarify.
Finally, you need to say what the base of the fountain (the point inside tube d that's at the same height as surface A) connects to, and through what medium.
 
  • #74
B and C are of the same pressure. The base of the fountain connects from b into the atmosphere - through both water and air.
 
  • #75
Physicist1011 said:
B and C are of the same pressure.
Right.
Physicist1011 said:
The base of the fountain connects from b into the atmosphere - through both water and air.
No, remember that we are supposing you have a finger on top of that tube, so the fountain base is isolated from the atmosphere.
Now, what equations can you write relating the four pressures?
 

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