Finding the Limit: (x2y)/(x4 + y2)

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The problem involves finding the limit of the expression (x²y)/(x⁴ + y²) as (x,y) approaches (0,0). This falls within the subject area of multivariable calculus, specifically dealing with limits in two dimensions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using polar coordinates to evaluate the limit, with some expressing confusion about the results obtained. There are attempts to analyze the limit by substituting specific paths, such as y = 0 and y = x², to explore potential discrepancies in the limit's existence.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various methods being proposed and explored. Some participants suggest that the limit may not exist based on different paths yielding different results, while others assert that the limit does exist, indicating a lack of consensus. Guidance is offered regarding the use of polar coordinates and the need for careful substitution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the indeterminate form encountered (0/0) and the implications of approaching the limit along different paths. There are references to potential mistakes in calculations and the reliability of external tools like WolframAlpha.

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Homework Statement



Find the limit:

the limit of (x2y)/(x4 + y2) as (x,y) approaches (0,0)


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The Attempt at a Solution



I took the limit of the numerator and denominator separately.

The numerator equals to 0 as well as the denominator.

So, I get the indeterminant form 0/0.

Where do I go from here?
 
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Try approaching the problem using polar coordinates:

x=r\cos{\theta}
y=r\sin{\theta}
 
electricspit said:
Try approaching the problem using polar coordinates:

x=r\cos{\theta}
y=r\sin{\theta}


After solving I get cos2(theta) / sin(theta)
 
You could choose ##\delta = min\{1,2 \epsilon\}##
 
Uh according to what I have, I'll do the numerator and let you do the denominator:

<br /> x^2 y = r^3 \cos{\theta}^2\sin{\theta}<br />

Also remember (x,y)\to 0 is the same as r\to 0
 
Can I choose y = 0 and find the limit. Then, y = x2 and find the limit. Will that show that it approaches different limits and Therefore, it would not exist?
 
I get the limit to exist. Make sure you are making the substitutions correctly.
 
electricspit said:
Uh according to what I have, I'll do the numerator and let you do the denominator:

<br /> x^2 y = r^3 \cos{\theta}^2\sin{\theta}<br />

Also remember (x,y)\to 0 is the same as r\to 0

denominator:

x4 + y2 = r4cos4(theta) + sin2(theta)
 
Ah see you are missing the r squared term in front of your sine term.
 
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electricspit said:
I get the limit to exist. Make sure you are making the substitutions correctly.
I get that the limit doesn't exist.
 
  • #12
Let (x, y) → (0, 0) along either of the paths, y = x2 and y = -x2 .
 
  • #13
Touché, WolframAlpha lies, as my polar coordinate method is not sufficient.
 
  • #14
physics=world said:
After solving I get cos2(theta) / sin(theta)

You shouldn't. You made a mistake.
 
  • #15
electricspit said:
Touché, WolframAlpha lies, as my polar coordinate method is not sufficient.
I stumbled on that path quite by accident, although I did use WolframAlpha to help.

I was somewhat surprised that WolframAlpha messed up evaluating this limit.
 
  • #16
Yeah I just used the polar coordinates method and assumed Wolfram would have given the correct answer.
 

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