Finding the local extrema or saddle points of a function

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The discussion focuses on finding local extrema and saddle points for the function f(x,y)=5xy-7x^2+3x-6y+2. The user calculated the critical point at (6/5, 69/25) and determined the Hessian discriminant to be -25, indicating a saddle point. However, the graph generated on Wolfram Alpha did not visually confirm the presence of a saddle point, leading to confusion. Participants suggested ensuring the graph includes the critical point and discussed the implications of eigenvalues related to the curvature of the function. The user expressed a desire to visualize the saddle point more clearly in a specific region on the graph.
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Homework Statement


f(x,y)=5xy-7x^2+3x-6y+2


2. Homework Equations
(f_xx)(f_yy)-(f_xy)^2 the hessian or discriminant of f

The Attempt at a Solution


i arrived at a solution but i don't think its correct, and the answer isn't in the back of the book, so i just wanted to ask if i did this correctly
the first partial derivatives are f_x and f_Y are
f_x=5y-14x+3 and f_y=5x-6
setting f_y=0 i get x=6/5
plugging this value into f_x and solving for y i get 69/25
therefore my critical point is at (6/5,69/25)
the second order partial derivatives are then
f_xx=-14 f_yy=0 and f_xy=5
then using the discriminant of f i get -25 so i get a saddle point
but i graphed the function on wolfram alpha, and i doesn't seem like there is a saddle point on the graph

any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks
 
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Are you sure you plotted a region including the purported saddle point?
 
The problem when you graph it is that the eigenvalues of the Hessian are close to -16 and 1.5. So in the direction where it appears to be a maximum there is a lot of curvature, and in the direction where it appears to be a minimum there is not so much. When you graph it in wolfram alpha there's a clear parabola shape with a ridge at the top and lost due to the scaling is the fact that the ridge does curve up very gently
 
not sure what an eigenvalue is but i guess from both your responses there is a saddle point on f
how do i plot a single region in wolfram alpha? id like to see this saddle point if i can haha

thanks!
 
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