Finding the matrix of a transformation

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The discussion revolves around finding the matrix representation of a linear transformation T that rotates vectors in R2 by 45 degrees counterclockwise. Participants are analyzing the properties of rotation matrices and the implications of the transformation on specific vectors.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to determine the matrix by considering the effects of the transformation on standard basis vectors. There is a debate about the correct angle of rotation and the resulting matrix form. Questions are raised regarding the expected output of the transformation on specific vectors, such as <1, 0> and <0, 1>.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with multiple interpretations of the transformation being explored. Some participants are questioning the assumptions about the rotation angle and its implications on the matrix form. There is no clear consensus yet, but guidance is being offered regarding the properties of rotation matrices.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the definitions and properties of linear transformations and rotation matrices, specifically in the context of a 45-degree rotation. There is an emphasis on understanding the geometric implications of the transformation.

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Homework Statement


Consider the transformation T from R2 to R2 that rotates any vector x through an angle of 45 degrees in the counterclockwise direction. You are told that T is a linear transformation. Find the matrix of T.


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The Attempt at a Solution



A vector with components x1 and x2 should become x 2 and x1, seeing that the transformation should rotate the vector 45 degrees. So therefore, the matrix of the transformation should be:

[0 1]
[1 0]
 
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Cankur said:

Homework Statement


Consider the transformation T from R2 to R2 that rotates any vector x through an angle of 45 degrees in the counterclockwise direction. You are told that T is a linear transformation. Find the matrix of T.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



A vector with components x1 and x2 should become x 2 and x1, seeing that the transformation should rotate the vector 45 degrees.
The rotation you're describing here is a rotation of 90° counterclockwise, not 45°.

What should T do to x1 = <1, 0> and x2 = <0, 1>?
Cankur said:
So therefore, the matrix of the transformation should be:

[0 1]
[1 0]
 
Cankur said:

Homework Statement


Consider the transformation T from R2 to R2 that rotates any vector x through an angle of 45 degrees in the counterclockwise direction. You are told that T is a linear transformation. Find the matrix of T.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



A vector with components x1 and x2 should become x 2 and x1, seeing that the transformation should rotate the vector 45 degrees. So therefore, the matrix of the transformation should be:

[0 1]
[1 0]
No, with a 45 degree rotation, any vector on the x-axis (y=0) would rotate to the line y= x while any vector on the y-axis would rotate to the line y= -x. What vectors on those lines have length 1?
 
It should move it half of 90 degrees. But what matrix would achieve that? A matrix that looks like this perhaps:

[0 1/2]
[1/2 0]

How should you think when you have problems of this sort?
 
Cankur said:
It should move it half of 90 degrees. But what matrix would achieve that? A matrix that looks like this perhaps:

[0 1/2]
[1/2 0]

How should you think when you have problems of this sort?
No, the matrix above doesn't work.

I'll ask this again.
Mark44 said:
What should T do to x1 = <1, 0> and x2 = <0, 1>?
 
Which (because I just have to jump in behind Mark44) is much what I asked before: what vector, <x, x>, has length 1? What vector <-x, x>, has length 1?
 

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