Finding the Maximum Angle for Equilibrium in a Rotational Statics Problem

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The discussion revolves around a rotational statics problem involving a uniform meter stick placed against a vertical wall, supported by a cord at an angle θ. The participants are attempting to determine the maximum angle θ for equilibrium, considering factors such as static friction and the forces acting on the meter stick.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss various approaches to balancing torques and forces, including using different pivot points for analysis. Questions arise about the mass of the meter stick and its implications for the problem. There is also a focus on the need for a free body diagram to clarify the forces involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods and questioning their assumptions. Some have suggested taking moments about the center of the meter stick, while others are revisiting previous equations derived from different pivot points. There is no clear consensus yet, but multiple interpretations and approaches are being explored.

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Participants note the coefficient of static friction and the need for clarity on the mass of the meter stick, which remains unspecified. The problem's complexity is compounded by the various forces acting on the stick and the requirement for equilibrium.

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"One end of a uniform meter stick is placed against a vertical wall View Figure . The other end is held by a lightweight cord that makes an angle [itex]\theta[/itex] with the stick. The coefficient of static friction between the end of the meter stick and the wall is 0.400 ."

I can't for the life of me get the equation for this.
Part A:
What is the maximum value the angle [itex]\theta[/itex] can have if the stick is to remain in equilibrium?
So far I've tried using the last end as a pivot point.
so that would give me
Balancing torque:
[tex]\mu T cos(\theta) = mg(1-x)[/tex]
and balancing total forces
[tex]\mu T cos(\theta) + T sin(\theta) = mg[/tex]
combining the two
produces
[tex]T sin(\theta) = mgx[/tex]
dividing the third by the first gives me
[tex]tan(\theta) = \mu \frac{x}{1-x}[/tex]
and there is no way I can get a "max theta". Naturally I can't get Part B and C but I figured if you guys can help me with A it will be easy to get the rest.

Thanks in advanced.
 
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What is the mass of the meter rule? Is it light?
 
Hootenanny said:
What is the mass of the meter rule? Is it light?
negligible I presume.
 
Can you draw the forces in that figure?
µ³ said:
So far I've tried using the last end as a pivot point.
This is the end of the ruler not touching the wall, right?

so that would give me
Balancing torque:
[tex]\mu T cos(\theta) = mg(1-x)[/tex]
I see a mistake here. What torque does the string exert about the point of attachment of the string? And are there no other forces on the ruler that exert a torque about this point?

Again, never do a force problem without a free body diagram.
 
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Gokul43201 said:
Can you draw the forces in that figure?
This is the end of the ruler not touching the wall, right?

I see a mistake here. What torque does the string exert about the point of attachment of the string? And are there no other forces on the ruler that exert a torque about this point?

Again, never do a force problem without a free body diagram.
Yeah that's the end of the ruler not touching the wall. I thought about the string itself exhibiting torque but since I chose it as a pivot point it wouldn't make much sense if it did. Can you suggest an alternate pivot point? I also considered using the end touching the wall as pivot point and that gave me the equation
[tex]T sin(\theta) = mgx[/tex]
which was already derived from the first two. I also considered using the ruler's center of mass a pivot point and that didn't give me a sensical answer either.
http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/4207/yffigure11407dw28yw.jpg
Pretty sure that's right.
 
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Perhaps taking moments about the centre of the rule since we don't know its mass? I haven't worked through this problem so don't take my word for it.
 
Hootenanny said:
Perhaps taking moments about the centre of the rule since we don't know its mass? I haven't worked through this problem so don't take my word for it.
[tex]1/2 \mu T cos(\theta) + mg(x-1/2) = 1/2 T sin(\theta)[/tex]
[tex]\mu T cos(\theta) + T sin(\theta) = mg[/tex]

so...
[tex]\mu T cos(\theta) + 2mgx -mg= T sin(\theta)[/tex]
[tex]\mu T cos(\theta) + 2mgx -\mu T cos(\theta) - Tsin(\theta)= T sin(\theta)[/tex]
an equation I already had
[tex]mgx = T sin(\theta)[/tex]
and reapplying the second equation
you get
[tex]\mu T cos(\theta) + T sin(\theta) = mg[/tex]
[tex]\mu T cos(\theta) + mgx = mg[/tex]
[tex]\mu T cos(\theta) = mg(1-x)[/tex]
and we're back where we started. So so far, I've chosen the left end (ruler touching wall), the right end (string pulling on ruler), and midpoint and gotten the same answer for all of them. Argrhgrh what am I doing wrong?
 
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