Finding the mean net force during a collision

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mean net force during a collision, specifically focusing on the application of the equation F=ma and the interpretation of velocity as a vector. Participants are examining the implications of changes in velocity and time in the context of a collision scenario.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the equation F=mv/t but questions the calculation of change in velocity, particularly whether it should be (v-u) or the sum of u and v. Other participants emphasize the importance of understanding vector properties and the directionality of velocities involved in the collision.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the vector nature of velocity and how it affects the calculation of force. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to carefully consider the signs and directions of the velocities involved.

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There is an indication that the problem may involve assumptions about the directions of the velocities and the need for clarity on the definitions of the variables used in the equations. The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on the correct approach to calculating the change in velocity.

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F=ma=mv/t[/B]

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I used the equation F=mv/t, in which I find the change in velocity and change in time before and after the collision. The change in time is t2-t1, but the problem comes when I am calculating the change in velocity. Shouldn't the change be (v-u)? The answer is D, in which the velocity becomes the sum of u and v, and I don't understand why. Thanks in advance!
 

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velocity is a vector, and as such , it has both magnitude and direction.
 
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This is what it looks like visually:

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As PhantomJay has stated, you need to actually understand what the equation you are using really means and what each of the variables are. The FULL equation here is:

\vec{F} = m \frac{\Delta \vec{v}}{\Delta t}

Since velocity is a vector, the CHANGE in velocity will require that you know the directions of the initial and final velocity. If we designate +x direction as the same direction as "u" (as in the fig), then the final velocity is "-v".

This, Δv = -vi - ui = - (v+u)i;

and
Δt = t2 - t1

This means that the force exerted by the wall is

\vec{F} = -m \frac{v+u}{t_2 - t_1} \hat{i}

The negative sign means that the force exerted BY the wall ONTO the mass is in the -x direction, i.e. to the left in the figure. The answer options in the question only care about the magnitude. But even so, as you can see, you can't ignore that these are vectors till the very end.

Moral of the story here is that you need to do this very carefully and to follow the "rules" meticulously. Otherwise, you'll get trapped with the signs issue.

Zz.
 

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ZapperZ said:
This is what it looks like visually:

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Hmmm... i would show it as v with an arrow to the left, or, equivalently if puzzlingly, -v with an arrow to the right.
 

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