Finding the Net Electrostatic Force on Particle 3 in a Coulomb's Law Problem

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The problem involves determining the position of a third particle with an unknown charge such that the net electrostatic force acting on it from two other charged particles is zero. The first particle has a positive charge, while the second has a negative charge, and they are separated by a specified distance along the x-axis.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the forces acting on the third particle and explore the equations that could be used to find its position. There is a focus on the balance of forces and the implications of the charges' signs.

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Some participants have attempted calculations using Coulomb's law and have expressed uncertainty about their methods and results. There is a recognition of potential errors in calculations and assumptions regarding the signs of the charges. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and approaches without a clear consensus on the correct method.

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Participants note the importance of considering the signs of the charges in the calculations, and there is mention of the expected proximity of the third particle based on the relative magnitudes of the charges involved.

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Homework Statement



Particle 1 of charge q1 = +0.76 µC and particle 2 of charge q2 = -3.0 µC, are held at separation L = 13 cm on an x axis. If particle 3 of unknown charge q3 is to be located such that the net electrostatic force on it from particles 1 and 2 is zero, what must be the x and coordinates of particle 3?

I'm really not sure how to proceed with this question. But I understand that the forces added together is zero.
 
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Langerhorns said:

Homework Statement



Particle 1 of charge q1 = +0.76 µC and particle 2 of charge q2 = -3.0 µC, are held at separation L = 13 cm on an x axis. If particle 3 of unknown charge q3 is to be located such that the net electrostatic force on it from particles 1 and 2 is zero, what must be the x and coordinates of particle 3?

I'm really not sure how to proceed with this question. But I understand that the forces added together is zero.

Welcome to PF.

OK. So what equation do you think you might use then?
 
So I did:

c/d^2 + c/d^2 =0

put in the numbers

(0.76*10^-6)/d^2 = (3*10^-6)/(d+13)^2

simplify taking out the fractions

(0.76*10^-6)(d+13)^2 = d^2(3*10^-6)

expand the bracket

(0.76*10^-6)(d^2+26d+169) = d^2(3*10^-6)

eventual rearrangement

2.24*10^-6 - 1.976*10^-5 - 1.2844*10^-4 = 0

quadratic equation

13 and -4.3 but 13 is not the right answer. It might be my method or calculation error, I'm really not sure.
 
I trust you didn't round away too much from the answer for your quadratic.

If you think about it, ≈ 13 is an expected result, because if 1 charge is 4 times larger and twice as far away ... you'd expect something about equal to the charge separation wouldn't you?
 
Hum, isn't q2 negative? I reckon you might've used it as a positive..

F1 - F2 = 0 .. so, q1/d^2 = q2/(d+x)^2, where q2 still is negative, and I only see +3 in your calculations :)
 
Hannisch said:
Hum, isn't q2 negative? I reckon you might've used it as a positive..

F1 - F2 = 0 .. so, q1/d^2 = q2/(d+x)^2, where q2 still is negative, and I only see +3 in your calculations :)

Actually I think he's taken that into account.

∑F = 0 = q3*∑ E = 0 ⇒ E1 + E2 = 0

Taking account of the sign of the charge then |E1| = |E2| satisfies the condition.

(This of course is for x that does not lie between q1 and q2.)
 
I don't quite see it, but I reckon you're right 'cause you most definitely know better than I do and it's late & I'm tired. I think I'll come back and try to see it when it's not 20 to midnight ;)
 

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