Finding the number of free electrons

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The discussion revolves around calculating the concentration of free electrons in a metal, focusing on the relationship between density, atomic weight, and the number of free electrons per atom. Participants are exploring the formula for free electron concentration and the definitions of various terms involved.

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  • Participants discuss the formula for free electron concentration and attempt to derive it from known quantities like density and atomic weight. There are questions about the definitions of terms such as amu and their relevance to the calculations.

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Some participants have provided alternative formulations and clarifications regarding the mass of atoms and the number of atoms in a given volume. There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and relationships between the variables involved, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants express confusion regarding the use of amu as an intermediate weight measurement and suggest that defining weights directly in grams might simplify the discussion. There is also a mention of the need for clarity in distinguishing between the number of atoms and the number of valence electrons in the calculations.

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Homework Statement
Prove that the concentration n of free electrons per cubic meter of a metal is given by
n = d*v/AM = A0dv*10^3/A
where d = density, kg/m^3
v = valence, free electrons per atom
A = atomic weight
M = weight of atom of unit atomic weight, kg
A0 = Avogadro's number, molecules/mole
Relevant Equations
1gram = A*1amu
The required number of free electrons to be calculated is
##n = \frac{dv} {AM} = \frac{A_0dv*10^3} {A} ##
I know mass of single atom is ##M##
The atomic weight of mole of atoms is ##A##.
Hence ##A = A_0*M ##
##d = \frac{A} {1} ## -> "1" represents ##1m^3##. I am confused how to proceed further. How do i approach?
 
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PhysicsTest said:
Homework Statement:: Prove that the concentration n of free electrons per cubic meter of a metal is given by
n = d*v/AM = A0dv*10^3/A
where d = density, kg/m^3
v = valence, free electrons per atom
A = atomic weight
M = weight of atom of unit atomic weight, kg
A0 = Avogadro's number, molecules/mole
Relevant Equations:: 1gram = A*1amu

The required number of free electrons to be calculated is
##n = \frac{dv} {AM} = \frac{A_0dv*10^3} {A} ##
I know mass of single atom is ##M##
The atomic weight of mole of atoms is ##A##.
Hence ##A = A_0*M ##
##d = \frac{A} {1} ## -> "1" represents ##1m^3##. I am confused how to proceed further. How do i approach?
If you have the density (in ##kg/m^3##), then you need to calculate now many atoms are in a cubic metre. That means how many atoms there are in a ##kg##. Can you calculate that?

Or, alternatively, what is the mass of an atom in ##kg##?
 
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Relevant Equations:: 1gram = A*1amu
This should be ##1g = A_0 \times 1 amu##.

That means that ##A_0## things of mass ##1 amu## have a mass of ##1g##.
 
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After some struggle, this is how i approached
PeroK said:
Or, alternatively, what is the mass of an atom in ##kg##?
Mass of an atom in kg is ##\frac{A*10^{-3}} {A_0} kg## ----> eq1
If the number of atoms in ##1m^3## of volume is ##n##.
Then the mass of the total atoms is ##\frac{nA*10^{-3}} {A_0}## ----> eq2
##density = \frac{mass} {volume};## volume = ##1m^3##
##d = \frac{nA*10^{-3}} {1* A_0}## ----> eq3
Hence the number of atoms
##n =\frac{dA_0*10^3} {A} ## ---> eq4.
If there are ##v## valence electrons for each atom then the concentration of free electrons is
##n =\frac{dvA_0*10^3} {A}## ---> eq5
 
Okay, that's the answer, but it looks complicated and you've used ##n## as the number of atoms and the number of valence electrons. Let's use ##N## for the number of atoms per cubic metre and ##m## for the mass of a single atom.

First, we know, by definition, that $$m = A \ amu$$ And we also know that $$M \ kg = 1 \ amu$$ because you are told that an atom if ##1 \ amu## has a mass of ##M \ kg##. This gives us the mass of an atom in ##kg##: $$m = AM \ kg$$ The number of atoms in ##d \ kg## is: $$N = \frac{d}{AM}$$
Alternatively, we know by definition that:

##A_0## is the number of atoms of ##1 \ amu## in ##1g##

and ##A_0 \times 10^3## is the number of atoms of ##1 \ amu## in one ##kg##,

hence ##\frac{ A_0 \times 10^3}{A}## is the number of atoms of ##A \ amu## in one ##kg##,

and ##N = \frac{d \ A_0 \times 10^3}{A}## is the number of atoms of ##A \ amu## in ##d \ kg##
 
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Thank you for the help, the solution now looks more in order. but it is confusing ##1 \text{ amu}, A\text{ amu} ## etc. They could have started directly defining in terms of ## grams ## of the weight of the atom. Why they defined an intermediate weight of ##amu##?
 

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