Finding the Orthogonal Trajectory for a Family of Curves

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The discussion revolves around finding the orthogonal trajectory of a family of curves defined by the equation x^2 + y^2 = cx. Participants are exploring the relationships between derivatives and transformations related to this family of curves.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derivation of the derivative y' and its implications for finding the orthogonal trajectory. There are attempts to express y' in different forms and to use substitutions such as v = y/x. Some participants question the correctness of their expressions and calculations.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants correcting each other's expressions and sharing their progress. Some have found ways to integrate and move forward, while others are still grappling with earlier steps. No consensus has been reached, but there is productive dialogue regarding the methods being used.

Contextual Notes

Participants note errors in their calculations and the need for corrections, indicating that the problem involves complex manipulations of derivatives and integrals. There is also mention of using integrating factors in the context of differential equations.

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Homework Statement


i want to get the orthogonal trajectory of the curves of this family

[tex]x^2 + y^2=cx[/tex]


Homework Equations



answer is given as : [tex]y^2 + x^2=cy[/tex]



The Attempt at a Solution


[tex]2x + 2yy' = \frac {x^2 +y^2} {x}[/tex] then [tex]y' = \frac{y} {2x} - \frac{x}{y}[/tex]
let v=y/x ;
[tex]x\frac{dv}{dx} =\frac {-1}{2v}[/tex]
thus:
[tex]- v^2 = \ln |x|[/tex] or
[tex]xe^{\frac {y^2}{x^2} } = c[/tex]
which is far from the given answer . Got problem from odinary differential equations by rahman volume 1, 1994,
 
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then [tex]y' = \frac{y} {2x} - \frac{x}{y}[/tex]

Should be [tex]y' = \frac{y} {2x} - \frac{x}{2y}[/tex]

let v=y/x ;
[tex]x\frac{dv}{dx} =\frac {-1}{2v}[/tex]

I didn't get anything close to that, even using the incorrect y'.

[tex]y' = \frac{y} {2x} - \frac{x}{2y} =\frac{y^2-x^2}{2xy}[/tex]

so the orthogonal trajectory satisfies

[tex]y' = -\frac{2xy}{y^2-x^2}[/tex]

Then use v=y/x as you suggested
 
Billy Bob said:
Should be [tex]y' = \frac{y} {2x} - \frac{x}{2y}[/tex]



I didn't get anything close to that, even using the incorrect y'.

[tex]y' = \frac{y} {2x} - \frac{x}{2y} =\frac{y^2-x^2}{2xy}[/tex]

so the orthogonal trajectory satisfies

[tex]y' = -\frac{2xy}{y^2-x^2}[/tex]

Then use v=y/x as you suggested

thanks for the corrections , i made errors in my working , so following from where u left i get stuck here; [tex]\frac{(v^2 -1)dv} {-v(v^2 + 1)} = \frac {dx}{x}[/tex]
 
Thanks was able to integrate where billy bob left of using integrating factor[tex]\frac {1}{y^2}[/tex]
for anyone who gets stranded
 
Here's how I got past that step you mentioned:

[tex]-\frac{v^2-1}{v^3+v}=\frac{1}{v}-\frac{2v}{v^2+1}[/tex]

Glad it worked out for you.
 

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