Finding the period of rotation of this system....

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The problem involves three identical stars, each with mass m, positioned at the vertices of an equilateral triangle with side length d, rotating in a circular orbit due to their mutual gravitational attraction. The original poster is attempting to determine the period of their rotation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster has set up free body diagrams (FBD) for each star and is exploring the relationship between forces and the period of rotation. They express confusion over obtaining different periods for each star based on their equations. Some participants suggest focusing on centripetal components of forces rather than resolving forces into x and y components. There is discussion about neglecting certain forces and questioning the correct interpretation of the orbital radius.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their reasoning and calculations. Some have provided partial solutions and are comparing results, while others are questioning assumptions and the setup of the problem. There is no explicit consensus yet, but productive lines of inquiry are being explored.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the forces acting on the stars and the correct application of circular motion principles. The original poster is also grappling with the implications of their force equations and the relationship between the forces and the period of rotation.

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Three identical stars, each with mass m, form the verticies of an equilateral triangle with side length d and rotate in a circular orbit due to their mutual gravitation. What is the period τ of their rotation?

I set up the FBD for each star and am now trying to figure out what to do from there. I know how to get period into the equation from circular motion, but is that all there is to it? The FBD gives different equations for each mass so when I solve I get different periods for each star. What should I be doing here?

Force equations

Star at bottom left point:

x: Fcosθ+F = max
y: Fsinθ = may

Star at bottom right:

x: -(Fcosθ+F) = max
y: Fsinθ = may

Star at top:

y: -2F = may (or should this be -2Fcos(θ/2)?)
x: forces cancel to 0

If you draw an equilateral triangle you will see what I'm talking about and then how I oriented my axes around the stars.
 
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When I solve for period my units are seconds - so I know my method is correct. Anyway I would solve each of the force equations above for period and compare because they should be the same (or at least what I have been thinking) and they are off by a factor due to the cosθ or sinθ
 
Instead of working with x and y components of force, think about centripetal components of forces. Use what you know about circular motion.
 
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I should neglect the force that each is exerting on each other in x or y and only focus on the forces going towards the center of the system (triangle)? I thought about that but I was afraid to try it.
 
Okay I think this might be right. Using the centripetal components I was able to solve for period using the star at the top which my answer was T = (2πd3/2)/(√(Gm))(31/4). Units check out.

(2Gm2cos(θ/2))/d2 = mv2/d this was my equation from F = ma.
 
Is the orbital radius equal to d?
 
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Vitani11 said:
Okay I think this might be right. Using the centripetal components I was able to solve for period using the star at the top which my answer was T = (2πd3/2)/(√(Gm))(31/4). Units check out.

(2Gm2cos(θ/2))/d2 = mv2/d this was my equation from F = ma.
I get a different constant factor. Please post all your working.
 
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dsinθ-dsinθ/2 is the distance? Here is the work. Sorry for the blur.
 

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OH MY GOD I DID IT THANK YOU haruspex as usual and Tsny . No dsinθ -dsinθ/2 was definitely not it
 

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