Finding the Role of R in Trigonometric Equations: An Algebraic Exploration

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The discussion revolves around the equation acos(x) + bsin(x) = Rsin(x + t), exploring the role of R in this trigonometric context. Participants are examining how R is incorporated algebraically and its significance in balancing the equation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants suggest expanding sin(x + t) and equating coefficients to understand the relationship between the terms. There are questions about how R is derived and its necessity in the equation, with some expressing confusion about the roles of a and b in relation to R.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided guidance on expanding the equation, while others are questioning the assumptions behind the placement of R. There is no explicit consensus on the reasoning for R's presence yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the normalization of coefficients and the implications of trigonometric identities in the context of the equation. There is an acknowledgment of the constraints posed by the definitions of sine and cosine functions.

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Homework Statement



acos(x)+bsin(x)=Rsin(x+t)

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Is there any way to show how R is "placed" in acos(x)+bsin(x)=Rsin(x+t) algebraically?
I mean I could, probably, do acos(x)+bsin(x)=sin(t)cos(x)+ cos(t)sinx(x), but still somehow need R in it. Does R give the equation more balance? ;)

Well, we also have x=Rcost and y=Rsint in addition to double angle identities, but I still can't seem to find satisfying algebraic justification for R's existence in f(x)= Rsin(x+t).

Please, help me figure it out.

Thanks.
 
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hi solve! :smile:

just expand sin(x+t), and equate coefficients :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
hi solve! :smile:

just expand sin(x+t), and equate coefficients :wink:

Hi,tiny-tim.

See, sin(x+t)=sin(x)cos(t)+ cos(x)sin(t)= acos(x)+ bsin(x)

Ok, a=cos(t) and b=sin(t), but how or why does R end up there?
 
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solve said:
See, sin(x+t)=sin(x)cos(t)+ cos(x)sin(t)= acos(x)+ bsin(x)

you left something out! :biggrin:
 


solve said:
Hi,tiny-tim.

See, sin(x+t)=sin(x)cos(t)+ cos(x)sin(t)= acos(x)+ bsin(x)

Ok, a=cos(t) and b=sin(t), but how or why does R end up there?

You have it backwards! If

\sin(x)\cos(t)+\cos(x)\sin(t)\equiv a\cdot\cos(x)+b\cdot\sin(x)

then a=\sin(t) and b=\cos(t).
 


tiny-tim said:
you left something out! :biggrin:

Does that happen to be R? If yes, I'd like to know why and how R got there.
 


Mentallic said:
You have it backwards! If

\sin(x)\cos(t)+\cos(x)\sin(t)\equiv a\cdot\cos(x)+b\cdot\sin(x)

then a=\sin(t) and b=\cos(t).

Thanks.
 
solve said:
acos(x)+bsin(x)=Rsin(x+t)
solve said:
See, sin(x+t)=sin(x)cos(t)+ cos(x)sin(t)= acos(x)+ bsin(x)

Rsin(x+t) = Rsin(x)cos(t) + Rcos(x)sin(t) = acos(x)+ bsin(x) :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
Rsin(x+t) = Rsin(x)cos(t) + Rcos(x)sin(t)= acos(x)+ bsin(x) :wink:

Ok.

acos(x)+bsin(x)=Rsin(x+t)

Why is there R in the above equation? Yes, you can expand it, but that doesn't explain what kind of reasoning keeps R in f(x)=Rsin(x+t)
 
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Of course, sin(x+ t)= sin(x)cos(t)+ cos(x)sin(t) so that a= sin(t) and b= cos(t). But note that sin(t) and cos(t) are between -1 and 1 and that sin^2(t)+ cos^2(t)= 1. In order to be able to write A sin(x)+ B cos(x), for any A and B, as "R sin(x+ t)" we must "normalize" the coefficients: letting R= \sqrt{A^2+ B^2} so that Asin(x)+ Bcos(x)= R((A/R)sin(x)+ (B/R)cos(x)) and then let cos(t)= A/R and sin(t)= B/R.
 
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Rsin(x+t)​

expand sin(x+t) …

Rsin(x+t)


:wink:
 

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