Finding the Shortest Distance from a Curve to the Origin

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The problem involves finding the shortest distance from the curve defined by the equation xy=4 to the origin (0,0). Participants are exploring various methods to determine this distance, including the use of distance formulas and parametric equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Some participants suggest parametrizing the curve and substituting into the distance formula. Others express confusion about the concept of parametrization. There are discussions about minimizing the distance function derived from the distance formula.

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The discussion includes various approaches to the problem, with some participants sharing their reasoning and attempts at solutions. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the shortest distance, with no explicit consensus reached. Some participants have offered insights into the symmetry of the curve and its implications for the distance to the origin.

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Participants note that the problem may be relevant for an upcoming exam, and there are references to the use of distance formulas and critical points in the context of multiple-choice testing. Some express uncertainty about the necessity of parametric equations for this problem.

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Homework Statement


The Shortest distance from the curve xy=4 to the origin is:

A. 2
B. 4
C. rad (2)
D. 2* rad (2)
E. .5 rad(2)


Homework Equations


... distance equation?


The Attempt at a Solution



i used the pythagorean theorem to find the distances using x^2 and y^2 as a^2 and b^2 but couldn't get a right answer.. i went through each answer choice and got A but that's not the correct answer
 
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Parametrize it then put it in the equation for distance in place of x and y. Minimize the distance like you would any other function of one variable.
 
Parametrize?

Vid said:
Parametrize it then put it in the equation for distance in place of x and y. Minimize the distance like you would any other function of one variable.

sorry but what does Parametrize mean?
 
Rewrite both variables as a function of t.
x = f(t) = ?
y = g(t) = ?

Plug the (f(t), g(t)) and (0,0) into the distance forumula to get distance as a function of t. Then, find the value of t that minimized d.
 
I got D, don't you think the shortest distance is when y=x intersects your curve? - It's at (2,2) so distance = 2*rad(2)
Edit: above answer simply y guessing..

or find function for Distance {D(x)} .. you know D = rad(x^2+y^2) subsitute y val from your org function
 
For the AB exam, it seems parametric equations are not required. I remember this question when prepping for the BC a few weeks ago. In essence, you would use the distance formula. You might need this for the test tomorrow, so I will just post how I thought about the question.

The simplest way I found to think about this question and get the answer is:

The graph xy = 4 is a hyperbola, which you can see by writing it as y = 4/x. It's also symmetric about the line y = x because its inverse is the same as itself. We draw a rough graph and notice that for x close to 0 and |x| close to infinity, the distance from the graph to the origin is huge. As we move closer to the symmetry line, the distances seem to get smaller. Intuition tells us the shortest distance is at the symmetry point when the graph seems to dip toward the origin [and it looks like a sort of question they would put on the test ;)]. If this is true, then x = y = \pm 2, and the point (2,2) or (-2,-2) is nearest the origin. This is a distance of 2\sqrt{2}. This explanation is long, but on the actual test you can do this very quickly.

The rigorous way to do it involves the distance formula. The question mentions distance from the origin to a point on the graph xy = 4. We have two points, (0,0) and the point on the graph, so we have an idea that we need to use the distance formula. Points on the graph are (x, 4/x). The distance between (0,0) and (x,4/x) as a function of x is:

\text{distance}=d(x)=\sqrt{x^2 + (4/x)^2}

We want to minimize this, so take the derivative and set it equal to 0:

d\,'(x) = \frac{2x + 2(4/x)(-4/x^2)}{2\sqrt{x^2 + (4/x)^2}} = 0

This is 0 when the numerator is 0, so

x - 16/x^3 = 0 \implies x^4 = 16 \implies x = \pm 2

At this point, we should technically find the second derivative to confirm it's a minimum, but this is a multiple choice test, and we're pretty sure this is a minimum, since there are no other critical numbers. Use the distance formula to find the minimal distance.
 
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Tedjn said:
For the AB exam, it seems parametric equations are not required. I remember this question when prepping for the BC a few weeks ago. In essence, you would use the distance formula. You might need this for the test tomorrow, so I will just post how I thought about the question.



The rigorous way to do it involves the distance formula. The question mentions distance from the origin to a point on the graph xy = 4. We have two points, (0,0) and the point on the graph, so we have an idea that we need to use the distance formula. Points on the graph are (x, 4/x). The distance between (0,0) and (x,4/x) as a function of x is:

\text{distance}=d(x)=\sqrt{x^2 + (4/x)^2}

We want to minimize this, so take the derivative and set it equal to 0:

d \single-slash (x) = \frac{2x + 2(4/x)(-4/x^2)}{2\sqrt{x^2 + (4/x)^2}} = 0

This is 0 when the numerator is 0, so

x - 16/x^3 = 0 \implies x^4 = 16 \implies x = \pm 2

At this point, we should technically find the second derivative to confirm it's a minimum, but this is a multiple choice test, and we're pretty sure this is a minimum, since there are no other critical numbers. Use the distance formula to find the minimal distance.

One shortcut :rolleyes:
d(x)=\sqrt{x^2 + (4/x)^2} is max or min when d(x)=x^2 + (4/x)^2 is max or min .. so lot less work
 
Good point :) (is that a pun? don't think so lol)
 
thank you everyone :]

i got it
 

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