Finding the slope using the method of First Principles

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The discussion revolves around finding the slope of a function using the method of first principles, specifically focusing on the limit definition of the derivative. Participants are examining the correctness of a method presented by the original poster and discussing the application of mathematical principles in this context.

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  • Participants are questioning the validity of the original poster's method, particularly the placement of parentheses in expressions and the evaluation of limits. There is also a focus on ensuring that the derivative is found using first principles rather than other rules.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on specific errors in the original poster's work. Some guidance has been offered regarding the proper use of mathematical expressions and the need to adhere to the limit definition of the derivative. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are addressing potential mistakes in the setup of the problem, including issues with parentheses and the application of mathematical rules. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the work shown aligns with the requirements of using first principles.

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I solved it, can anyone see if my method is correct?
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ttpp1124 said:
Homework Statement:: I solved it, can anyone see if my method is correct?
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It looks correct, but is it "first principle"? Multiply both the numerator and denominator by the sum of the square roots, and take the limit.
 
@ttpp1124, you ended up with sort of the right answer, but the work shown doesn't support your answer. At the end of your work you have ##2x - 1^{(-1/2)}##. This is technically incorrect. Although you have used parentheses, you put them in the wrong place. Instead, they should be around the expression that's being raised to the power; i.e., like this ##(2x -1)^{-1/2}##. What you wrote would simplify to 2x - 1.

Regarding @ehild's comment about first principles, it doesn't look like you actually evaluated the limit at the bottom of the left half of your work. The part below "Expanding" doesn't make any sense at all -- it looks like you used some sort of product rule. For one thing, that rule doesn't apply here, and for another, you're supposed to find the derivative by first principles; i.e., by using the limit definition of the derivative.

The work at the top of the right half of the page is completely wrong:
##(2x - 1)^{1/2} + (1/2)(2h)(2x - 1)^{(-1/2)}##, and is entirely unrelated to the problem you're doing. If your instruction is even halfway careful, you won't get credit for this work.
 
Mark44 said:
@ttpp1124, you ended up with sort of the right answer, but the work shown doesn't support your answer. At the end of your work you have ##2x - 1^{(-1/2)}##. This is technically incorrect. Although you have used parentheses, you put them in the wrong place. Instead, they should be around the expression that's being raised to the power; i.e., like this ##(2x -1)^{-1/2}##. What you wrote would simplify to 2x - 1.

Regarding @ehild's comment about first principles, it doesn't look like you actually evaluated the limit at the bottom of the left half of your work. The part below "Expanding" doesn't make any sense at all -- it looks like you used some sort of product rule. For one thing, that rule doesn't apply here, and for another, you're supposed to find the derivative by first principles; i.e., by using the limit definition of the derivative.

The work at the top of the right half of the page is completely wrong:
##(2x - 1)^{1/2} + (1/2)(2h)(2x - 1)^{(-1/2)}##, and is entirely unrelated to the problem you're doing. If your instruction is even halfway careful, you won't get credit for this work.
The end is cut off a bit, my apologies; I think this is better. What do you think?
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I think this is better. What do you think?
No, it's not better.
You have a small mistake in line 4 on the left side. In the numerator, you have ##[(2(x + h - 1)^{1/2} - (2x - 1)^{1/2}]##. 2(x + h - 1) is wrong. Also, there are 3 left parens and 2 right parens in the numerator, so that's a mistake. It looks like you caught your error in the 5th line.

The bigger problem is that you apparently know how this should come out, but aren't able to show the work that supports it. In the next to last line, the big ugly fraction is correct, but not the line that follows it.
The reason you're doing what @ehild suggested is to get rid of the fractional powers in the numerator, using the basic idea that ##(x^{1/2} + y^{1/2})(x^{1/2} - y^{1/2}) = x - y##. This is really the formula ##(a + b)(a - b) = a^2 - b^2## in disguise.
 

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