Finding the tangent line using implicit differentiation.

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The problem involves finding the tangent line to a curve defined implicitly by the equations \(2x^3y + yx^2 + t^2 = 0\) and \(x + 6 + t - 1 = 0\). The curve is parameterized by \(f(t) = \begin{pmatrix} x(t) \\ y(t) \end{pmatrix}\) with the condition \(f(1) = \begin{pmatrix} -1 \\ 1 \end{pmatrix}\). The task is to determine the tangent line at \(t = 1\).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the need to express the tangent line in terms of \(x\) and \(y\). There are attempts to derive the slope of the tangent line using implicit differentiation and to clarify the relationship between the derivatives \(\frac{dy}{dx}\) and \(\frac{dy}{dt}\), \(\frac{dx}{dt}\).

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, including the use of implicit differentiation to find the slope of the tangent line. There is ongoing exploration of the definitions and relationships between the variables involved, with some questioning the accuracy of the problem statement.

Contextual Notes

There are concerns regarding the correctness of the problem setup, particularly the values assigned to \(f(1)\) and the equations defining the curve. Participants are also discussing the implications of defining \(y\) as a function of \(x\) versus \(t\).

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Homework Statement



The equations ##2x^3y+yx^2+t^2=0##, ##x+6+t-1=0## implicitly define a curve $$f(t) = \begin{pmatrix} x(t)\\y(t) \end{pmatrix}$$ that satisfies ##f(1)=\begin{pmatrix} -1\\1 \end{pmatrix}.##

Find the tangent line to the curve when ##t=1##.

Homework Equations



The chain rule to find the derivative of f would give something like: $$\frac {df}{dt} = \frac {\partial f}{\partial x}\frac {\partial x}{\partial t} + \frac {\partial f}{\partial y}\frac {\partial y}{\partial t}.$$

And the equation of the tangent plane should be given by the formula: $$f(t_0)+\frac {df}{dt}(t_0) \cdot (t-t_0).$$

The Attempt at a Solution



Differentiating both sides of each equation with respect to ##t## gives $$2x^3\frac {dy}{dt}+6x^2y\frac {dx}{dt}+2xy\frac {dx}{dt} +x^2\frac {dy}{dt} + 2t = 0$$$$\frac {dx}{dt}+\frac {dy}{dt}+1=0$$Solving for ##\frac {dx}{dt}## and ##\frac {dy}{dt}## when ##t=1## and ##f(1)=(-1,1)## gives $$\frac {dx}{dt} =-3/5$$$$\frac {dy}{dt}=-2/5.$$
 
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You need the equation of the tangent line. How can you write it in terms of x and y?

ehild
 
##f(x_0,y_0)+\nabla f(x,y)\cdot (x-x_0,y-y_0)?##
 
The curve is in the x,y plane and the tangent line is a straight line of form (y-yo)=a(x-xo). You need that tangent line. The slope of the line is a=dy/dx, you get it with implicit differentiation.

ehild
 
##f(t)## defines ##x## and ##y## implicitly as functions ##x=x(t)## and ##y=y(t)##. To get ##\frac {dy}{dx}##, would I need to define ##y## implicitly as a function ##y=y(x)##?
 
Naridax said:

Homework Statement



The equations ##2x^3y+yx^2+t^2=0##, ##x+6+t-1=0## implicitly define a curve $$f(t) = \begin{pmatrix} x(t)\\y(t) \end{pmatrix}$$ that satisfies ##f(1)=\begin{pmatrix} -1\\1 \end{pmatrix}.##

Are you sure that you copied the problem correctly?
X(1)≠-1, as -1+6+1-1 =5 .
Is not the second equation x+y+t-1=0?

ehild
 
Naridax said:
##f(t)## defines ##x## and ##y## implicitly as functions ##x=x(t)## and ##y=y(t)##. To get ##\frac {dy}{dx}##, would I need to define ##y## implicitly as a function ##y=y(x)##?

No, you can get dy/dx as (dy/dt)/(dx/dt). That is implicit differentiation.

ehild
 
Then, ##\frac {dy}{dx}=\frac {2}{3}##. And substituting the values for ##y-y_0=a(x-x_0)## gives $$y-1=\frac {2}{3}(x+1).$$
 
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Looks good.

ehild
 

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