Finding the Taylor polynomial for the first three terms

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves finding the Taylor polynomial for the function f(x) = ln(3x)/(6x) at the point a = 1/3, specifically the first three terms of the polynomial.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to isolate ln(3x) from 1/(6x) and create a series based on ln(3x). Some participants question the validity of separating the two components and suggest using derivatives directly for the Taylor series expansion.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different methods to compute the Taylor series, with some suggesting a direct computation of derivatives at the specified point. There is acknowledgment of a misunderstanding regarding the separation of terms in the Taylor series context.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of confusion between Taylor series and Maclaurin series, indicating a need for clarity on the appropriate approach for series expansion based on the point of interest.

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Homework Statement


[tex]f(x) = \frac{ln(3x)}{6x}, a = \frac{1}{3}, n=3[/tex]

Find T3

Homework Equations


Taylor Series - f(n)(x)/n! * (x-a)^n


The Attempt at a Solution



So, I isolated ln(3x) from 1/6x.

I created the series based off of ln(3x).

f(0)(x)=ln(3x) ->f(0)(1/3)=ln(3(1/3)) =0

f(1)(x)=1/x ->f(1)(1/3)=1/(1/3) =3

f(2)(x)=-1/x2 ->f(2)(1/3)=-1/(1/3)2 =-32

f(3)(x)=2/x3->f(3)(1/3)=2/(1/3)3 =2*33
f(4)(x)=-2*3/x4->f(4)(1/3)=-2*3/(1/3)4 =-2*3*34
f(n)(x)=(-1)(n+1) * (n-1)!/xn ->f(n)(1/3)=(-1)(n+1) * (n-1)!/(1/3)n =(-1)(n+1) * (n-1)!*3n

Incorporating that back in:
[tex]\frac{1}{6x}*\sum^{3}_{n=1}(-1)^{n+1} * \frac{(n-1)! * 3^{n}}{n!}* (x-\frac{1}{3})^{n}[/tex]

Now, as you see I started the series at 1, since ln(1) [aka 0] does not fit with the general description of f(n)(x).

[tex]\frac{1}{6x}*\sum^{3}_{n=1}(-1)^{n+1} * \frac{3^{n}}{n}* (x-\frac{1}{3})^{n}[/tex]

So, I end up getting these first three terms:

[tex]\frac{3(x-\frac{1}{3})}{6x}-\frac{3^{2}(x-\frac{1}{3})^{2}}{6x*2}+\frac{3^{3}(x-\frac{1}{3})^{3}}{6x*3}[/tex]

Simplified:

[tex]T_{3}=\frac{x-\frac{1}{3}}{2x}-\frac{3(x-\frac{1}{3})^{2}}{4x}+\frac{3(x-\frac{1}{3})^{3}}{2x}[/tex]

However, that answer is being marked as incorrect for some odd reason. Where am I going wrong with this Taylor series? I retraced everything and it should work.



NastyAccident
 
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It's not odd it was marked wrong because it is wrong. You can't separate log(3x) and 1/(6x). You need to find the first three derivatives of the function log(3x)/(6x) at x=(1/3). Use the quotient and chain rules. Your series should be an expansion in powers of (x-1/3), there shouldn't be x's floating around as well.
 
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Dick said:
It's not odd it was marked wrong because it is wrong. You can't separate log(3x) and 1/(6x). You need to find the first three derivatives of the function log(3x)/(6x) at x=(1/3). Use the quotient and chain rules. Your series should be an expansion in powers of (x-1/3), there shouldn't be x's floating around as well.

So, because this is a Taylor series vs. a Maclaurin series, separating ln(3x) from 1/6x causes a rift when actually calculating the series since it isn't based at 0?

I was under the assumption that you could separate Taylor series exactly like Maclaurin series. Mm, back to the drawing board.

Thanks!



NastyAccident
 
Well, you just have to compute f^(n)(1/3) for a few values of n. Just do it directly. That shouldn't be totally back the drawing board. You're welcome!
 
Dick said:
Well, you just have to compute f^(n)(1/3) for a few values of n. Just do it directly. That shouldn't be totally back the drawing board. You're welcome!

Aye, just had to differentiate and simplify a lot... But, I ended up with:

T3=3/2(x-1/3)-27/4(x-1/3)^2+99/4(x-1/3)^3

Which is correct!

Thank you for the guidance Dick!



NastyAccident
 

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