Finding the tension in a rope when acceleration is balanced

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two blocks connected by a rope over a frictionless peg on an incline. The original poster seeks to find the acceleration of the blocks and the tension in the rope, as well as to analyze a scenario where the blocks are replaced by others that do not accelerate.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the acceleration and tension using provided equations but expresses uncertainty about the tension calculation. Some participants suggest considering gravitational forces in the analysis. Others explore the implications of zero acceleration and derive a relationship between the masses of the blocks.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering different perspectives on the calculations and assumptions. Some guidance has been provided regarding the equations to use for tension and acceleration, and there is a recognition of the frictionless condition. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the original poster's calculations.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions related to gravitational forces and the conditions under which the blocks do not accelerate. The original poster also questions the implications of having zero acceleration for the masses of the blocks.

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Homework Statement


A m1 = 7.3 kg block and a m2 = 10.2 kg block, connected by a rope that passes over a frictionless peg, slide on frictionless incline.

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(a) Find the acceleration of the blocks and the tension in the rope.

(b) The two blocks are replaced by two others of masses m1 and m2 such that there is no acceleration. Find whatever information you can about the masses of these two new blocks.

m1/m2 = ?

Homework Equations


(a)
http://www5a.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP15211ddd67249f6c0h99000021236a56865d5b05?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=30&w=226.&h=36.

T = (m1g)(1 + (((m2sin(50 deg)) - (m1sin(40 deg)))/(m1 + m2))

The Attempt at a Solution


(a) in order to find the acceleration of the blocks I used the acceleration equation above to get...
http://www5a.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP97820d5a6g74c9g0833000042fai256cg284eae?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=54&w=353.&h=43. = 1.75 m/s2

But I am having trouble finding the tension. Using the equation above I do not get the right answer.
http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP110351gc6963gg3d1i776000051bdi059eic3399d?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=3&w=322.&h=37. = 84.39 N
Is this the right equation? What do I need to do differently?

(b) I really have no idea what this part is asking for. If a = 0 wouldn't m1 and m2 both be equal to 0?
 
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You are not taking into account the gravitational force (F=mg).
 
In the Tension equation? I thought I was because it is (m1 x g)(...)
 
EDIT: Just noticed it was frictionless. My bad, sorry.

For the (b) part if you take equation for the acceleration in case where a=0, you would get m2sin(50)-m1sin(40)=0, m1sin(40)=m2sin(50), m1/m2=sin(50)/sin(40).
 
Ahhh, I see. Awesome. So do you think I did the tension part correctly then?
 
Well, for the first object you would have m1a=T-m1gsin40, and for the second m2a=m2gsin50-T. If you solve for a in both cases, you would have a=(T-m1gsin40)/m1 and a=(m2gsin50-T)/m2. If you put these 2 in an equation (T-m1gsin40)m1=(m2gsin50-T)/m2, it should be fairly easy to solve for T in that case.

By my calculations you should get ~58.77N
 
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Oh okay, that was similar to what I tried. I got ~58.80 N. Thank you very much!
 
You're very welcome :D
 

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