Calculate acceleration & tension

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block on a rough inclined plane connected to another mass via a pulley. The participants are tasked with calculating the acceleration of the block and the tension in the string, given specific parameters such as mass, gravitational force, and the coefficient of kinetic friction.

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  • Participants explore various equations of motion for both masses involved, attempting to derive expressions for acceleration and tension. Some participants question the application of the coefficient of friction and the definitions of certain variables, such as W1.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing attempts at solutions and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of friction and the need for clarity in the equations used. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

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Homework Statement


A block with mass m1=15.0kg is on a rough inclined plane and is connected to an object with mass m2=25.0kg as shown. The rope may be considered massless; and the pulley may be considered frictionless. The coefficient of kinetic friction is µk=0.28
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Homework Equations


a. what is the magnitude of the acceleration of the block?
b. what is the magnitude of the tension of the string?

The Attempt at a Solution


Attempt for question a: a=m2g-m1g sin theta-m1g cos theta/m1 + m2

Attempt for question b: T=W1+m1(a)
 

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Melixa said:
Attempt for question a: a=m2g-m1g sin theta-m1g cos theta/m1 + m2
You've forgotten mu in there. It is in your attachment, but applied wrongly.
Melixa said:
Attempt for question b: T=W1+m1(a)
What is W1? Anyway, your answer is wrong, both there and in the attachment. Please explain your reasoning.
 
Since no perpendicular motion of mass m1 ,therefore equation :
R=m1g cos35 no applied.
Now, equation of motion of m1:
m1f=T-m1 g sin35 .
Equation of motion of m2:
m2f= m2g -T .
Adding the two equations,
(m1+m2)f=( m11 - m2sin35)*g
Rearranging,
f=m1-m2sin35*g divided by m1+m2.
Here f is acceleration.
Now tension T= m2(g-f)
Substituting f,
T= m1 m2(1+sin35)* g divided by m1+ m2.
Substituting ,m1= 15kg & m2= 25 kg ,sin35 = - 0.4281827 ,g=9.8 m/as.

Answer : f=6.297m/ss & T=52.53 m2f= m2g sin35degree.
Adding ,
(m1+m2)f=( m1- m2 sin35)g
Rearranging,
f=m1- m2sin35 *g divided by m1+m2.
Here f is acceleration.
Now tension T = m2(g-f)
Substituting f we get ,
T=m1*m2(1+sin35)*g divided by m1+m2.
 
haruspex said:
You've forgotten mu in there. It is in your attachment, but applied wrongly.

What is W1? Anyway, your answer is wrong, both there and in the attachment. Please explain your reasoning.
Sorry, we represent g with a W in class.
 
Saloni Khanna said:
Since no perpendicular motion of mass m1 ,therefore equation :
R=m1g cos35 no applied.
Now, equation of motion of m1:
m1f=T-m1 g sin35 .
Equation of motion of m2:
m2f= m2g -T .
Adding the two equations,
(m1+m2)f=( m11 - m2sin35)*g
Rearranging,
f=m1-m2sin35*g divided by m1+m2.
Here f is acceleration.
Now tension T= m2(g-f)
Substituting f,
T= m1 m2(1+sin35)* g divided by m1+ m2.
Substituting ,m1= 15kg & m2= 25 kg ,sin35 = - 0.4281827 ,g=9.8 m/as.

Answer : f=6.297m/ss & T=52.53m2f= m2g sin35degree.
Adding ,
(m1+m2)f=( m1- m2 sin35)g
Rearranging,
f=m1- m2sin35 *g divided by m1+m2.
Here f is acceleration.
Now tension T = m2(g-f)
Substituting f we get ,
T=m1*m2(1+sin35)*g divided by m1+m2.

So, I don't have to use the value of mu to calculate the acceleration and tension?
 
Saloni Khanna said:
Since no perpendicular motion of mass m1 ,therefore equation :
R=m1g cos35 no applied.
Now, equation of motion of m1:
m1f=T-m1 g sin35 .
Equation of motion of m2:
m2f= m2g -T .
Adding the two equations,
(m1+m2)f=( m11 - m2sin35)*g
Rearranging,
f=m1-m2sin35*g divided by m1+m2.
Here f is acceleration.
Now tension T= m2(g-f)
Substituting f,
T= m1 m2(1+sin35)* g divided by m1+ m2.
Substituting ,m1= 15kg & m2= 25 kg ,sin35 = - 0.4281827 ,g=9.8 m/as.

Answer : f=6.297m/ss & T=52.53
m2f= m2g sin35degree.
Adding ,
(m1+m2)f=( m1- m2 sin35)g
Rearranging,
f=m1- m2sin35 *g divided by m1+m2.
Here f is acceleration.
Now tension T = m2(g-f)
Substituting f we get ,
T=m1*m2(1+sin35)*g divided by m1+m2.
Saloni, you need to read the Homework Forum rules. We do not do students' homework for them. We provide hints, point out mistakes in working and in concepts, etc, and guide the student to the answer. the only time you should post a full solution is if the student already has a solution but you want to show a better one.
On this occasion, it happens that your solution is wrong. As Melixa notes, you forgot about friction. So not much harm done.
 
Melixa said:
Sorry, we represent g with a W in class.
Ok, but do you have any revisions to your answer in a? What is your reasoning for your answer in b?
 
Sorry ,next I'll take care of it.
For part b) Tension is calculated from equation of motion of mass m2. N in part a) mu R=m1gcostheta.
Reply its correct answer pls. ma'am
 

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