Finding the Unknown Angle in Equilibrium for Symmetrical Bars Under Load

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The discussion focuses on calculating the angle \( u \) of symmetrical bars under load in equilibrium, specifically with a spring constant of \( k = 3 \, \text{kN/m} \) and a load of \( F = 150 \, \text{N} \). The problem involves two bars of negligible weight, each \( 0.4 \, \text{m} \) long, with a block weighing \( 10 \, \text{kg} \) on a slope of \( 5^\circ \) and a coefficient of friction of \( 0.2 \). The participant attempted to solve the equations of equilibrium but encountered difficulties, ultimately deriving a quadratic equation for \( \tan(u) \) that suggested an angle of approximately \( 56.1^\circ \), which did not yield consistent results upon verification.

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Homework Statement



Trying to find angle u of bars (symmetrical) with ground at equilibrium under load.
Two bars, negligible weight of length .4m
Spring at midpoint k = 3kN/m, unstretched when bars at 45 deg
F = 150N, 5 deg
W of block 10kg
Slope of ground under block 5 deg
coef friction = .2

Homework Equations



Fx = 0 = Ax + 150sin5 - Nsin5 - .2Ncos5
Fy = 0 = Ay - 150cos5 + Ncos5 - .2Nsin5
Ma = 0 = 150cos5*.4cosu + 150sin5*.4sinu - Ncos5*.8cosu + .2Nsin5*.8cosu

The Attempt at a Solution



4 unknowns, Ax, Ay, u, N... this course doesn't include indeterminate structures so I tried anyway. Since I could not get an answer via the standard eq equations I tried to eliminate a variable first in the whole structure then by doing a FBD of the block. I got N in terms of u but it still doesn't work anything out. It's incredibly messy using the block FBD and I re-did it several times because I kept finding errors but I eventually got to a quadratic of tan(u) that spit out ~56.1 deg. which is the closest thing to a reasonable value I've gotten, but that value doesn't seem to work when I run with it. I tried to find a trig identity that would simplify things, but can not work anything out.
 

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That 45°, is it relative to the other bar or relative to the vertical?
 
It's relative to the horizontal actually... but at 45 that's the same as vertical. The angles of both bars relative to the horizontal ground.
 

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