Finding the Work Done in a Monatomic Ideal Gas Process

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The forum discussion centers on calculating the work done in a reversible cycle involving 1.00 mole of a monatomic ideal gas, as outlined in "Fundamentals of Physics 8th Edition." Key calculations include determining the pressure at various points using the equation PiVi^(Gamma)=PfVf^(Gamma) and calculating work using W=P(delta)V. The discussion highlights the importance of integrating to find the area under the curve for non-rectangular processes, particularly in adiabatic expansions, and emphasizes the need to apply the correct thermodynamic equations, such as W = -ΔU = -nCvΔT, for accurate results.

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Homework Statement


Hi, this question is from Fundamentals of Physics 8th Edition:
Figure 20-27 shows a reversible cycle through which 1.00 mole of a monatomic ideal gas is taken. Process bc is an adiabatic expansion, with pb = 5.20 atm and Vb = 4.80 x 10-3 m3. For the cycle, find (a) the energy added to the gas as heat, (b) the energy leaving the gas as heat, (c) the net work done by the gas, and (d) the efficiency of the cycle.

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Homework Equations



PiVi^(Gamma)=PfVf^(Gamma)
W=P(delta)V
PV=nRT
PV^(Gamma)=nRTV^(Gamma-1)
(Delta)U=Q-W
Q=nCp(Delta)T
(Gamma)= 1.67 for monoatomic gas
Eint=(3/2)nRT

The Attempt at a Solution


This may look a little weird because of the subscript and powers but i'll give it a go:
Calculating Pressure at (a) and (c):
PiVi^(Gamma)=PfVf^(Gamma)
5.2689e5*4.8e-3=Pf*38.4e-3
Pf=1.6352e4 Pascals

Calculating Work from c to a:
W=P(delta)V
=1.6352e4*(38.4-4.8)e-3
=549.4272J

I believe this is correct...

Calculating temperature at (b) and (c):
T=(PV^(Gamma))/(nRV^(Gamma-1))

Tb=((5.2689e5)*(4.8e-3)^1.67)/(1*8.314*(4.8e-3)^(-0.67))
=304.1944K

Tc=((1.6352e4)*(38.4e-3)^1.67)/(1*8.314*(38.4e-3)^(-0.67))
=75.5233K

Calculating (Delta)Eint for process b to c:
(Delta)Eint=nRTf-nRTi
=nRTc-nRTb
=(1*8.324*75.5233)-(1*8.314*304.1944)
=-2851.757J --> I think this is where the problem lies.

Calculating work for process b to c:
(Delta)Eint=Q-W, as it is adiabatic Q=0 therefore (Delta)Eint=-W.
W=2851.757J

As there is no work for the process a to b, this means that the net work done on the system is 3401.18J... Which is incorrect... I don't know the solution but i know that that answer is wrong... I tried a few other methods than the one above but i get the same answer and i am going crazy and in circles...
 

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Poulsen8r said:
Calculating Work from c to a:
W=P(delta)V
=1.6352e4*(38.4-4.8)e-3
=549.4272J
You can't do it this way. You have to integrate to find the area under the curve from c to a. It is not a rectangle.

Use:

TV^{\gamma - 1} = K to find the change in temperature from c to a. Since there is no added heat, you know that W = -\Delta U = -nCv\Delta T

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
You can't do it this way. You have to integrate to find the area under the curve from c to a. It is not a rectangle.

Use:

TV^{\gamma - 1} = K to find the change in temperature from c to a. Since there is no added heat, you know that W = -\Delta U = -nCv\Delta T

AM

But why is the work done from c to a not a rectangle? i mean Work is the area under the graph which for the line c to a is a rectangle. And how can we apply the Constant volume formulas when its not at a constant volume? Also how do we know there's no added heat?
 
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