Finding the Work of a Damped Harmonic Oscillator

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The discussion revolves around finding the work done by a damped harmonic oscillator as it moves from an initial position of 0 m to a maximum position of 1 m. The problem involves concepts from mechanics, specifically the dynamics of oscillatory motion, including forces, energy, and damping effects.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between potential energy, initial kinetic energy, and work done against damping forces. There are attempts to integrate the forces acting on the oscillator, and questions arise about the assumptions made regarding the maximum displacement and the timing of oscillation peaks.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about the timing of maximum displacement and discussing the implications of damping on the motion. Some guidance has been offered regarding the differentiation of the position function to find extrema, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to solve for the work done.

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There is mention of the damping factor and its potential impact on the motion, with participants noting that the damping may not be negligible. The original poster's assumptions about the maximum position occurring at a specific time are also under scrutiny.

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I'm trying to find the work done by a harmonic oscillator when it moves from [tex]x_{0} = 0 m[/tex] to [tex]x_{max} = 1 m[/tex].
The oscillator has initial velocity [tex]v_{0}[/tex], a maximum height of [tex]x_{max} = 1 m[/tex], initial height of [tex]x_{0} = 0 m[/tex], a spring constant of [tex]k[/tex], a mass of [tex]m = 1 kg[/tex], and a damping factor of [tex]b[/tex].

It can be represented by the following differential equation:
[tex]m x'' + b x' + k x = 0[/tex]

Solving for [tex]x(t)[/tex] will result in this equation:
[tex]x = A e^{-\gamma t} sin(\omega_1 t)[/tex]

where [tex]\gamma = b / (2 m ) = b / 2[/tex]
and [tex]\omega_1 = ( \omega_0^2 + \gamma^2 )^{1/2}[/tex]
and [tex]\omega_0 = ( k / m )^{1/2}[/tex]

I think that the potential energy at [tex]x_{max} = 1 m[/tex] will equal the initial kinetic energy minus the work required to move the mass to the peak. Work, in general is
[tex]W = \int F dx[/tex]
I have a spring force [tex]F_{spring} = - k x[/tex], but I also have a damping force [tex]F_{damping} = - b \frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]. I tried working out [tex]W = \int ( -kx - b\frac{dx}{dt} ) dx[/tex] but it didn't seem to add up right.


Any ideas on how I can solve [tex]x_{max} = A e^{-\gamma t} = 1 m[/tex] in terms of the initial velocity that will be required to get it there?
 
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dimensionless said:
I think that the potential energy at [tex]x_{max} = 1 m[/tex] will equal the initial kinetic energy minus the work required to move the mass to the peak.

Correct. The easy way to do the question is to use that fact, not to integrate [tex]W = \int F dx[/tex]

... I have a spring force [tex]F_{spring} = - k x[/tex], but I also have a damping force [tex]F_{damping} = - b \frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]. I tried working out [tex]W = \int ( -kx - b\frac{dx}{dt} ) dx[/tex] but it didn't seem to add up right.

The spring force doesn't do any work outside the system, because the point outside the system where the spring is attached doesn't move.

Any ideas on how I can solve [tex]x_{max} = A e^{-\gamma t} = 1 m[/tex] in terms of the initial velocity that will be required to get it there?

The same way as you find the max and min of any function - find when the derivative of [tex]x = A e^{-\gamma t} sin(\omega_1 t)[/tex]
is zero.

NB The way you asked the question seems to assume the maximum occurs when [tex]sin(\omega_1 t) = 1[/tex]. That assumption is not correct.
 
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AlephZero said:
Correct. The easy way to do the question is to use that fact, not to integrate [tex]W = \int F dx[/tex]



The spring force doesn't do any work outside the system, because the point outside the system where the spring is attached doesn't move.
The same way as you find the max and min of any function - find when the derivative of [tex]x = A e^{-\gamma t} sin(\omega_1 t)[/tex]
is zero.

Ah! I have an equation for position and another for velocity. That sounds like a much better approach.

NB The way you asked the question seems to assume the maximum occurs when [tex]sin(\omega_1 t) = 1[/tex]. That assumption is not correct.

It is assumed :smile:...Are saying that the maximum might occur before that?
 
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dimensionless said:
It is assumed :smile:...Are saying that the maximum might occur before that?
Re-read AlephZero's post above. I am assuming you have taken Calc.101 and know that finding the first derivative of a function and setting it to zero gives you the points of the local extrema (i.e min/max). Note, that you should differentiate the whole function as AlephZero suggests, i.e.;

[tex]\frac{d}{dt} \left[A e^{-\gamma t} sin(\omega_1 t)\right] :=0[/tex]
 
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If your equations for position and velocity are consistent, then the velocity equation IS the derivative of the position equation :smile:

Sure, sometimes people use the approximations that the maximum occurs at time pi/w_1, and w_1 = w_0, and when the damping is small they are pretty good approximations. But you didn't say the damping was small.

Plot exp(-bt)sin(t) for some different values of b (e.g. b = 0, 0.1, 0.5) to see how bad the approximation gets for high levels of damping.
 

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