Finding Threshold Energy for Electrons to Produce Cerenkov Radiation

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The problem involves determining the threshold energy for electrons to produce Cerenkov radiation in glass, specifically with a refractive index of n=1.52. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how the provided equations relate to energy and the concept of threshold energy in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the requirement for a particle to exceed the speed of light in the medium to generate Cerenkov radiation. Questions arise regarding the specific type of energy referred to as the threshold energy and how it connects to the equations provided, particularly the relationship between speed, energy, and the angle of emission.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the relationship between the speed of light in glass and the speed of the particle. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for the particle to exceed the local speed of light, and there is an acknowledgment of the connection between the refractive index and the speed of light in the medium.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the original poster's struggle with the mathematical aspects and terminology, indicating a potential gap in foundational understanding. The discussion also reflects a mix of interpretations regarding the equations and their implications for the problem at hand.

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Homework Statement



Determine the threshold energy for electrons to produce Cerenkov radiation in glass (refractive index n=1.52).

The Attempt at a Solution



The only equations given in my notes are:

cos [itex]\theta[/itex][itex]_{C}[/itex]=1/[itex]\beta[/itex]n for [itex]\beta[/itex]>1/n

and

dN/d[itex]\lambda[/itex]=[itex]\frac{2\pi\alpha}{\lambda^{2}}[/itex]L sin[itex]^{2}[/itex] [itex]\theta[/itex][itex]_{C}[/itex]

How the second equation relates to the energy, I don't know. What does dN/d[itex]\lambda[/itex] have to do with the energy? And how is the 'threshold' supposed to be worked out?

Is E=mc[itex]^{2}[/itex] in this case? Is the energy supposed to be deduced from [itex]\lambda[/itex]?

Please help.

My textbooks and the internet don't tell me know to do this sort of question either.
 
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What kind of energy exactly is that threshold referring to? Is it the kinetic energy of the electron?

Anyway, as for the problem, think about this: what do you know about Cerenkov radiation? Specifically, what does a particle need to do in order for this type of radiation to be generated?
 


The particle needs to travel faster than the local speed of light - the speed of light in the medium - glass, in this case.

So work out the speed of light in glass, and somehow link the speed of light in glass and the speed of the particle in glass. I still don't know what this has to do with the angle or 'N' though.

Thanks if anyone makes it a bit clearer.
 


blueyellow said:
The particle needs to travel faster than the local speed of light - the speed of light in the medium - glass, in this case.

So work out the speed of light in glass, and somehow link the speed of light in glass and the speed of the particle in glass.
Not "somehow" - you said exactly what the link is, that the particle has to be faster than the speed of light in glass. So what is the speed of light in glass? Can you write an inequality expressing the fact that the speed of the particle is greater than the local speed of light?

Can you then think of a way to relate that to the energy?
 


The refractive index (n) directly relates to the speed of light in the glass. n = c (speed of light in a vacuum) / v (speed of light in a medium).
 


I am rusty at this and my math is slow motion hack work. From what I read, N is the number of electrons intercepting the x axis. The angle is the angle of incidence or the angle of the cone of light emitted. I know it's an old thread, but if you have worked it, I would like to see it. That is my crude interpretation. From what I can see, it is transition radiation. I am just learning the nomenclature and trying to see simple examples at work.
 

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