Finding Torque and Half Rated Torque in DC Shunt Motors

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The discussion revolves around calculating torque and half-rated torque in DC shunt motors, focusing on the relationships between armature current, field current, back EMF, and speed. Participants explore the implications of changing field resistance on these parameters.

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Main Points Raised

  • Participants discuss the equations governing the operation of DC shunt motors, including relationships between voltage, armature current, and torque.
  • One participant calculates the armature current at half load torque as 21.3635A, assuming constant flux.
  • There is a proposal to find the half load armature current before adding extra field resistance, with some uncertainty about the simplicity of the calculation.
  • Another participant suggests that to maintain half load torque, the product of field current and armature current after adding field resistance should equal the product before adding resistance.
  • Discussions include the calculation of speed based on back EMF and flux, with participants exploring how changes in field resistance affect these values.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in isolating flux from the equations and seeks clarification on the relationships involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationships between the various parameters of the DC shunt motor but express differing views on the implications of adding field resistance and how to calculate the resulting changes in torque and speed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact calculations and their interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the dependence of speed on back EMF and flux, while others highlight the need to consider changes in field current when resistance is added. There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the isolation of flux and its effect on speed calculations.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners interested in electrical engineering, particularly those studying DC motors and their operational characteristics.

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Hi All, I'm struggling a little bit with the last part of the question and would really appreciate a bit of help on how best to approach and solve. I've written below what i think is the answer but it just doesnt feel right to me so would be grateful for some guidnance.


i) A 20 kW, 500 V d.c. shunt wound motor draws a current of 45A when running at full load with a speed of 600 rev min–1. On no load, the current drawn from the supply is 5 A. If the armature resistanceis 0.3Ω and the shunt field resistance is 220Ω, calculate the armature current, speed and efficiency of the motor when the torque falls to half of its full load value, assuming that the flux per pole doesnot change.(Hint: don’t forget that all armature current is supplying torque. Onemust decide at some points what is the armature current producingtorque and at others, to determine generator emfs, the total armaturecurrent).

(ii) State what you would expect to happen to the speed if a resistance isinserted into the field circuit.

(iii) If a resistance of 50 Ωis inserted in series with the shunt field,calculate the armature current required to maintain half full-loadtorque. Calculate also the speed of the motor when supplying this torque.
Relevant Equations
Below:
Homework Equations:

E=V-IaRa
n2 = (n1×E2)/E1
If = V/Rf
V×Ia
T∝ΦIa
E∝ΦN

i)
V = 500v, N1 = 600RPM, It = 45A, Rf = 220Ω, Ra = 0.3Ω

It = Ia + If
If = V/Rf = 500/220 = 2.273A
Ia = It - If = 45 - 2.273 = 42.727A

Now: T∝ΦIa and if the flux per pole is constant then T∝Ia

So Ia when the Torque falls to half it's full load value is: Ia/2 = 42.727/2 = 21.3635A.

Since n2 = (n1×E2)/E1, we will need to find the back EMF at full load and half load.

E1=V-IaFLRa
∴ E1 = 500 - (42.727×0.3) = 487.182v

&

E2=V-IaHLRa
∴ E2 = 500 - (21.3635×0.3) = 493.591v
n2 = (600x493.591)/ 487.182 = 608RPM.

Total Power at Half Torque :
PHL = VIaHL = 500×21.3635 = 10681.75 Watts

Total Power at No Load:
PNL = VIaNL = 500×5 = 2500 WattsField Loss:
Pf = If2Rf = 2.273 × 220 = 1136.64 Watts

Fixed Loss:
2500 - 1136.64 = 1363.36

Armature Loss:
Pa = Ia2Ra = 21.3635 × 0.3 = 136.92 Watts

10684.75/(10681.75+2500+136.92 = 0.80 = 80%
Speed = 608RPM, Ia = 21.3635, Effeciency = 80%

ii)

An increase in field resistance would result in the in the reduction of current flowing in the field circuit and thus a reduction in flux. Since speed is inversely proportional to flux, if the flux is reduced the speed will increase. And since T∝ΦIa, the armature current will need to increase to maintain the same Torque output to compensate for the reduction in flux.
iii)

This is where i have hit a brick wall. I'm not sure how to find the torque or the half rated torque to begin solving this problem. Would appreciate nudge in the right direction.Thanks,

Joe.
 
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For solving iii), use your reasoning for part ii).
What is the half load armature current before adding extra field resistance?
 
Thanks.
IaHL=21.3635A?

If we add the resistance to the the field circuit then:

Rf=270Ω and If=500/270 = 1.852A.

If It=45A and full load then IaFL= 45-1.852

& and the required current at half load will be IaHL = (45-1.852)/2?

Seems too simple!
 
Joe85 said:
IaHL=21.3635A
Right.
Joe85 said:
and the required current at half load will be IaHL = (45-1.852)/2?
No.
Hint: To maintain half load torque,
the product of field current and armature current after adding field resistance should be equal to the product of field current and armature current before adding field resistance.
 
Ok so:

21.365 x 2.273 = 48.558A
500/270 = 1.852A.

48.558/1.852A= 26.22A?
 
Joe85 said:
48.558/1.852A= 26.22A
Right.
 
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Thank you cnh.

And the speed will just be the same as above: n2 = (n1xe2)/e1 = 606RPM?
 
Joe85 said:
n2 = (n1xe2)/e1
Only if the flux were constant in both cases..:wink:
 
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Thanks again, So i should begin by trying to work out the flux before the resistance inserted and then after it's inserted to be able to know what the change in speed is?
 
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Thanks again, So i should begin by trying to work out the flux before the resistance inserted and then after it's inserted to be able to know what the change in speed is?
Yes.
Speed is proportional to back emf/flux.
 
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Right and the only equation that seems of any use to be able to resolve for flux is: E1/E2=Φn1/Φn2. I feel like a complete idiot but I cannot see how to isolate Φ.

Edit: Ok so i believe by using the following equation i can isolate for n2:

n∝V/Φ
and Φ∝If

So n∝E/If and n=(E/If)*K

Which gives:

n2=( n1E2If1) )/( E1If2)

:confused:
 
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Joe85 said:
I cannot see how to isolate Φ.
Φ is proportional to field current.
 
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Just before you replied i edited this in above, honest :D

Edit: Ok so i believe by using the following equation i can isolate for n2:

n∝V/Φ
and Φ∝If

So n∝E/If and n=(E/If)*K

Which gives:

n2=( n1E2If1) )/( E1If2)

:confused:
 
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Joe85 said:
n2=( n1E2If1) )/( E1If2)
Right.
 
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Thank you. Your assistance and patience is very much appreciated.
 
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