Finding Vector potential due to an infinite cylinder?

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The discussion revolves around determining the vector potential due to an infinite cylinder carrying a uniform current density. Participants are exploring the relationship between the vector potential and the magnetic field, particularly focusing on the derivation of the magnetic field from the vector potential.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of finding the vector potential and its relationship to the magnetic field, questioning whether the problem is too advanced for second-year students. There is debate over the interpretation of the problem's requirements, particularly regarding the derivation of the magnetic field from the vector potential.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants expressing varying interpretations of the problem. Some suggest that deriving the magnetic field from the vector potential may be redundant, while others emphasize the importance of finding the vector potential first. There is no explicit consensus on the difficulty or intent of the problem, but several participants acknowledge the challenges involved.

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Participants note that the problem may be prohibitively difficult for a second-year physics course, raising concerns about its appropriateness for the level of study. There is also mention of a potentially complex relationship between the vector potential and the magnetic field that may not be straightforward to resolve.

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Hi there,
2nd year student, absolutely stumped on this don't even know where to begin.

"Determine the vector potential due to an infinite cylinder of radius, R, carrying a uniform current
density, j. Use this to describe the magnetic field inside a current carrying wire

I am using this article
http://galileo.math.siu.edu/mikesullivan/Courses/251/S12/vpot.pdf
 
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Unfortunately, in your link F is already given & they want you to find the vector potential of F.

In your problem on the other hand B is not given, it is to be derived from the vector potential: B = del x A where A is the vector potential.

There is an integral expression for finding A, given the current distribution and the location of the point where A and B are to be determined. What is it?

Warning: this looks to be a tough problem!
 
rude man said:
In your problem on the other hand B is not given, it is to be derived from the vector potential: B = del x A where A is the vector potential.
That's not how I read the question. It does ask for the vector potential, so the cited paper could be useful. The missing part is that you need to compute the vector field first by some other means.
 
haruspex said:
That's not how I read the question. It does ask for the vector potential, so the cited paper could be useful. The missing part is that you need to compute the vector field first by some other means.

I guess we just don't read the same way.

If you can cheat and get B first, which is a piece of cake here obviously, then what would be the point of describing the B field ex post facto using the vector potential?
 
rude man said:
what would be the point of describing the B field ex post facto using the vector potential?
The question does not ask for that to be done. It asks us to find a vector potential (by whatever means).
 
haruspex said:
The question does not ask for that to be done. It asks us to find a vector potential (by whatever means).

Yes, and then use it to describe the B field which you have already found? Ho ho ho.

I do have to admit, the problem as I read it is prohibitively difficult, so maybe it is just an exercise in redundancy.
 
Thanks for your help guys. I couldn't find an answers. Turns out heaps of guys in my class couldn't get it. Do you think this is too advanced for a second year physics degree?
 
BeerScience said:
Thanks for your help guys. I couldn't find an answers. Turns out heaps of guys in my class couldn't get it. Do you think this is too advanced for a second year physics degree?

Here's the thing. If haruspex is right and the only intent is to find the vector potential A with B already known, then you could solve the DE B = del x A, similar to what was in your link.

However, this is redundant nonsense. The reason A is solved for in the first place is to facilitate solving for B! And as I said, solving for A given the geometry and current density distribution is in this case horribly hard. I mean, very if not too hard even for an advanced e & m course. So to sum up I would say yes, this question is either pointless or impossible to solve.
 

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