Finding velocity and acceleration in a vector via differentiation

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The discussion revolves around finding the velocity and acceleration of a particle given its position function in vector form, specifically r(t)=<2cos t, 3t, 2sin t/t+1>. Participants are exploring the differentiation of this vector function to derive velocity and acceleration vectors.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the position function to obtain velocity and acceleration vectors. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the position function, particularly the term 2sin t/t+1, with various interpretations being suggested. There is also inquiry into whether the results can be simplified further and how to present the answers.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications on the nature of the output, emphasizing that the results are vectors dependent on the variable t. There is acknowledgment of the correctness of the original poster's differentiation attempts, though no consensus on simplification has been reached.

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Participants are navigating potential ambiguities in the notation of the position function, which may affect the interpretation of the derivatives. The discussion reflects a learning environment where assumptions about the notation and the nature of the output are being examined.

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Homework Statement


Find the velocity and acceleration of a particle with the given position function:

r(t)=<2cos t, 3t, 2sin t/t+1>

The Attempt at a Solution



v(t)=r'(t) dt= <-2sin t, 3, (2cos t/t+1) - (2sin t/(t+1)2)>

a(t)=v'(t) dt = <-2cos t, 0, (4sint t/(t+1)3-(2sint t/(t+1)-(4 cos t/(t+1)2>

therefore a(t) = <-2cos t, 0, 2/(t+1)[(2sint t/(t+1)2-sin t-(2 cos t/(t+1)>

First of all, is this right?
Secondly, can this be further simplify? If yes, can someone please show me how.
Lastly, I don't have a clue on how to solve this two vectors to give a single numerical answer. Or have I misunderstood the concepts, the answer show actually be presented as a vector instead of a single numerical answer?

Thanks in advance,
Phil
 
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Philip Wong said:
r(t)=<2cos t, 3t, 2sin t/t+1>

What does 2sin t/t+1 really mean?

\frac {2sin t} {t+1} or

2 sin \frac {t} {t+1} or

\frac {2sin t} {t} +1?
 
You can't get a numerical value, only a vector. You have to have a t value to plug into the functions you derived to get an exact vector with numerical components. The vector r(t) you start with gives position as a function of t, the derivative r'(t) gives the velocity vector as a function of t (velocity at any time t) and r''(t) gives the acceleration vector as a function of t...

If you had a function like r(t)=<2t,t,t> for example, you'd get r'(t)= <2,1,1> since the derivatives are all constant, but if the components of r(t) had non-constant derivatives then you have a non-constant velocity function like in your example.
 
Adkins Jr: I see what you meant now. thanks for your help!
voko: is the first one. sorry I'm not good using latex, I tried to have the equation type out using it. but somehow it didn't work
 
Your solution seems correct. Still, I would like to point out that even if you do not use LaTeX, you could write (sin t)/(t + 1). sin t/t + 1, in the usual convention, means [sin (t/t)] + 1 = [sin 1] + 1.
 

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