Finding velocity taking the pulley into consideration

In summary, the two masses moved 2 meters and experienced an acceleration of 3.26. However, the correct answer should be 4.24. The problem is that the acceleration is incorrectly calculated.
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It is problem number 9. I also have my work so far there.

Two blocks are connected as shown. Friction between M1 and the horizontal surface is characterized by mu_k = .25 and mu_s=.5. The pulley has I = .16kgm^2 about its center and a radius of .2m. Find the speed of the masses after they moved 2m. Assume that M1 is still on the horizontal surafece after those 2m so that the friction force will act over the entire 2m. Use M1 = 2kg and M2 = 6kg.

I did my work and ended up with accerleration being 3.26 however, I can't get the velocity. I don't know how to get the velocity, and I am not sure if I am overlooking some kinds of relationship between the variables.
 
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There's a simple kinematic formula that relates velocity and distance for a constant acceleration. You can either look it up or derive it for yourself. (Consider the definitions of acceleration and average speed.)
 
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I know that d = (1/2)at^2 since v_o and x_o are both zero.

2 = (1/2) at^2
4 = at^2
4/3.26 = t^2

t = 1.107

v = v_o + at
v = 3.26(1.10)
v = 3.61

However, the correct answer should be 4.24. What am I doing wrong?
 
  • #4
Nothing wrong with your kinematics. So better check that you calculated the acceleration correctly.
 
  • #5
That's the problem: Your calculation of acceleration is incorrect.
 
  • #6
Are my free body diagrams correct? For M1, I have normal force pointing up, Tension 1 point right, static friction pointing left, and gravity pointing down. For M2, I have tension2 pointing up and gravity pointing down. For the pulley, I have Tension 1 pointing left and Tension 2 pointing down. I think that I might have made some mistakes here.

M1

x) T1- f = M1*a
y) N - M1*g = 0

M2

T2-M2*g = -M2*a

Pulley

-T1*R -T2*R = I (-alpha)
T1*R + T2*R = I*(alpha)

So I have

R(T1+T2) = I (a/R)
R^2(T1+T2) = Ia
Ia = R^2(M1*a + mu_s*M1*g + M2*g - M2*a)
Ia -R^2*M1*a + R^2*M2*a = R^2*M2*g + R^2 * mu_s*M1*g
a = [R^2*M2*g + R^2*mu_s*M1*g]/(I+R^2*M2 -R^2*M1)


I plugged in all of my values from the problem and got 8.575 for a, which is wrong when I try to find velocity.
 
  • #7
vu10758 said:
M1

x) T1- f = M1*a
y) N - M1*g = 0

M2

T2-M2*g = -M2*a
Good.

Pulley

-T1*R -T2*R = I (-alpha)
T1*R + T2*R = I*(alpha)
Realize that T1 and T2 exert opposite torques on the pulley and thus must have opposite signs.
 
  • #8
Since T1 is trying to cause the pulley to rotate counterclockwise, while T2 is causing it to rotate clockwise, would it work if I have

T1*R-T2*R = I (-alpha)
 
  • #9
That looks good to me.
 

Related to Finding velocity taking the pulley into consideration

What is the formula for finding velocity taking the pulley into consideration?

The formula for finding velocity taking the pulley into consideration is V = ωr, where V is the linear velocity, ω is the angular velocity, and r is the radius of the pulley.

How does the pulley affect the velocity in a system?

The pulley affects the velocity in a system by changing the direction and speed of the movement. The velocity of the object is determined by the radius of the pulley and the angular velocity of the pulley.

What are the units for velocity when taking the pulley into consideration?

The units for velocity when taking the pulley into consideration are meters per second (m/s) or feet per second (ft/s). This is because velocity is a measure of how much distance an object travels in a certain amount of time.

Can the pulley change the velocity of an object?

Yes, the pulley can change the velocity of an object. The direction and speed of the object's movement can be altered by the pulley, thus changing its velocity. This is why the pulley is often used in systems to change the direction of motion.

What factors can affect the velocity of an object when using a pulley?

The velocity of an object when using a pulley can be affected by several factors, including the radius of the pulley, the mass of the object, the force applied to the object, and the friction between the object and the pulley. These factors can all impact the velocity of the object in the system.

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