Find minimum force to raise wheel

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The discussion revolves around determining the minimum horizontal force required to raise a wheel of mass M and radius R over a step of height H. Participants are exploring the relationship between applied forces, torque, and the effects of gravity and friction in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of torque and the role of friction in the problem. There are attempts to derive expressions for the forces involved, including the moment of inertia and the net torque acting on the wheel. Questions arise regarding the correct lever arm for the weight and the interpretation of the answer key's formula.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering various approaches to the problem. Some have provided partial equations and reasoning, while others are questioning the assumptions and calculations made. There is no explicit consensus on the correct method or final expression yet, but several productive lines of inquiry are being explored.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is also a focus on understanding the physical principles involved, such as torque and the effects of different forces acting on the wheel.

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What minimum force F applied horizontally at the axle of the wheel is necessary to raise the wheel of mass M and radius R over a step of height H. A picture for this is at

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The answer key says that the correct answer is F =[mg*SQRT(2RH-H^2)]/r-h

I know that mg is gravity so the force of gravity plays a role here. I don't know the direction of friction because F is pointing right, but the object also rotates clockwise. Friction would resist the sliding but would contribute to the rotation.

I know torque is the cross product of R and F. I have no idea though why we have SQRT(2RH-H^2). I don't know what to do. Am I suppose to work with torque somehow?
 
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Take moment about the contact point, and use a force with unknown direction for the reaction at the contact point.
 
I am not sure about this...is the moment of inertia with respect to the contact point MR^2 + R^2 with the parallel axis theorem? I know that whatever force the wheel pushes against the contact point, the same force will push the wheel back. But I am not sure about how to find that force for the reaction.
 
By moment, i meant sum of torque, and consider Normal force = 0.
 
With net torque, I have mg*R + F(R-H).

So F = mg*R/(R-H)

From the way it seems, I got the F(R-H) part right, but mg*R is still not quite right. HOw do I get SQRT(2RH-H^2)?
 
vu10758 said:
With net torque, I have mg*R + F(R-H).

So F = mg*R/(R-H)

From the way it seems, I got the F(R-H) part right, but mg*R is still not quite right. HOw do I get SQRT(2RH-H^2)?

Your lever arm for the weight is wrong, REMEMBER THE LEVER ARM IS PERPENDICULAR TO THE LINE OF ACTION OF THE FORCE.
 

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