Finding Weight of Benzene in a Filling Drum

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem in a chemical engineering basics class, specifically focused on deriving a formula for the weight of benzene in a horizontal cylindrical drum as a function of the liquid's depth. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual understanding of density and volume calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • The problem involves a cylindrical drum with specific dimensions and the density of benzene, prompting the need to derive a weight formula.
  • One participant outlines their approach using the relationships between density, mass, volume, and weight, suggesting that weight can be expressed as W=V(density)g.
  • There is a calculation attempt where the participant computes W=(0.879)(9.8)V, leading to W=(8.7906)V, but they express uncertainty about whether this represents W(h).
  • Another participant suggests that the volume of the benzene in the drum should be incorporated into the equation, indicating that the initial participant is close to completing the solution.
  • One participant raises a question about whether the relationship should involve time due to the benzene flowing into the drum, which is later clarified to be unnecessary.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to derive the weight formula, but there is uncertainty regarding the inclusion of time in the relationship and the exact formulation of W(h). The discussion remains unresolved as participants have not reached a consensus on the final expression.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the volume of benzene and the relationship with time, which have not been fully addressed or resolved.

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My first assignment in chemical engineering basics class, and already I am having the problems!

Homework Statement



A horizontal cylindrical drum is 2m in diameter and 4m long. The drum is slowly filled with benzene (density = 0.879g/cm^3). Derive a formula for W, the weight in Newtons of the benzene in the tank, as a function of h, the depth of the liquid in centimeters.

Homework Equations



We were not given any specific equations, but from attemting to do the solving I use:

Density = m/V
W=ma=mg
V=(pi)r^2h

The Attempt at a Solution



I have brainstormed. The volume of the drum is 4(pi)=12.56637. I believe that the problem wants for us to use W(h)=?? when finding the equation, and I understand we want to see that as the benzene increases the container becomes heavier. Also, we have the density.

Density = (m/V)
and W=mg, so W=V(density)g

We could plug things in.

W=(0.879)(9.8)V and get W=(8.7906)V

But here is where I am stuck. Does W=(8.7906)V equal W(h)? And should this be a relationship w/time since the benzene is flowing into the drum? I know this could include related rates (calculus) somewhere, but not sure where. Also, where does the drum's volume come in?
 
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MANGOMOJO said:
My first assignment in chemical engineering basics class, and already I am having the problems!

Homework Statement



A horizontal cylindrical drum is 2m in diameter and 4m long. The drum is slowly filled with benzene (density = 0.879g/cm^3). Derive a formula for W, the weight in Newtons of the benzene in the tank, as a function of h, the depth of the liquid in centimeters.

Homework Equations



We were not given any specific equations, but from attemting to do the solving I use:

Density = m/V
W=ma=mg
V=(pi)r^2h
Note the last equation you wrote above.

The Attempt at a Solution



I have brainstormed. The volume of the drum is 4(pi)=12.56637. I believe that the problem wants for us to use W(h)=?? when finding the equation, and I understand we want to see that as the benzene increases the container becomes heavier. Also, we have the density.

Density = (m/V)
and W=mg, so W=V(density)g

We could plug things in.

W=(0.879)(9.8)V and get W=(8.7906)V

But here is where I am stuck. Does W=(8.7906)V equal W(h)? And should this be a relationship w/time since the benzene is flowing into the drum? I know this could include related rates (calculus) somewhere, but not sure where. Also, where does the drum's volume come in?
You're nearly done. You just need to plug in the equation for the volume of the benzene in the drum.

PS: No, this has nothing to do with time, since you don't know the rate at which benzene is delivered to the drum.
 
Thank you very so much! It seems I have done some overthinking. I will do that!
 

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